"Hamas is responsible. Hamas will pay." -- Benjamin Netanyahu

There were five ceasefires...hamas broke each one. Period. You have no argument.

 

If Hamas, as Israel asserts, was not responsible then please explain how they could have known who the killers were. If a murder is committed in America do you blame the government and hold them responsible?

 

Ah yes, an Israeli source, in a right-wing Israeli newspaper, quoting Israelis condemning the Palestinians. How unexpected.

 

The names are known, they are rogue Hamas members. Hamas, instead of arresting them and handing over to Israel or just hanging them chose to hide, aid and abet them, thus becoming a criminal and co-conspirator.

 

At least they explained how they did their research.

 

Big fat lie! You are big fat liar!

 

Which ceasefires are you referring to?

 

Because of what happened in the Ukraine. You do know that Israel criticized the airlines for their decision, right?

Israel has to alleviate its prison-like conditions on Gaza before Hamas agrees to a ceasefire.

What was the situation in Gaza before the blockade?

 

No, the clan say they stand with Hamas, but are always acting against (and ignore) the group's policies.

And where is the evidence that Hamas "chose to hide, aid and abet them, thus becoming a criminal and co-conspirator"? Must be more Jewish propaganda.

 

Hmmm let's look at what really happened

http://jfjfp.com/?p=62975

Hamas it would appear has kept to agreements while Israel has used any excuse to wage another war and murder more Palestinians while destroying their infrastructure and the Quartet has just allowed this to happen. No wonder that this time Hamas decided to get itself better organised as a fighting force - still no match at all for Israel but Israel has said she has been quite thrown by how improved her soldiers are. Hamas is determined that there will be no cease fire until after the right conditions being accepted she has a cast iron pledge that they will be put into operation. It is shame on all of us here that we have allowed this to happen and all those innocent civilians, the elderly, women, children and youth to be needlessly murdered.

The solution is very simply as Uri Avnery says here http://jfjfp.com/?p=62990 and it is accepted that some kind of independent force will need to be there to supervise things. With Hamas's agreement that could be NATO. They will also have the ability to protect the civilians of Gaza.

Of course Hamas had made massive concessions in order to form a unity government which was accepted by both the US and the EU. That is the reason for the current israeli invasion. Given that Hamas after the most severe provocation fought back I imagine that unity deal is now off the shelf. Hamas was much weakened by making that deal but she needed to so that she could get the conditions in Gaza improved to a liveable standard - look at the first quote within the quote about the untreated sewerage and lack of drinking water. Hamas was prepared to make all concessions necessary in order to get her situation improved by non violent means. Israel would have none of it. A Unity Government of Hamas and Fatah accepted by the EU and US is far more frightening to Israel than the few jihadists mentioned in the quote which Hamas cannot control.

Hamas has shown herself to act in an honourable way, abiding by what she has agreed in cease fire agreements. Israel has not. It is time for all people who believe in law and justice to make sure that this time an agreement is made which fulfils the ten points Hamas has asked for. Then we may see some peace in Gaza. Again Avnery's link http://jfjfp.com/?p=62990

 

The ones they have reported on every channel. Oh yeah youre not in the US are you.

 

Considering the extraordinary fetish Americans have for anything Israel, I'm not going to trust your media any time soon.

 

You are even newer to this forum than I am so I will not report this post, however I do wish to draw your attention to Rule 2. I also think you genuinely believe that any zionist could ever agree with some of Hitler's ideas on race. However hard it is for us to comprehend Racism in the time between the conception of zionism and the end of WW2 was almost the norm. That some zionists believed in the purity of blood, non interracial marriage and even separation of races is pretty much accepted fact.
It does not require to much effort to realise that Herzl and Hitler both believed that Jews could never successfully assimilate into other societies. Herzl wished to create and foster a national identity based on race, as did Hitler (and of course many others) Both sought an answer to the "Jewish Question" and at times Hitler was keen on the Zionist idea of a state in Palestine. I am not suggesting that Zionists believed in the idea of a "Master Race" For interesting reading I can recommend Zionism and Anti-Semitism in Nazi Germany By Francis R. Nicosia and 51 Documents by Lenni Brenner.

Please do some research before calling someone a liar, and even if you believe it to be true the "Big Fat" bit I suggest you drop forever.

 

maybe in crazy terrorist cheerleader imagination land that happened but the last 5 ceasefires as a fact were broken by hamas.

 

Fetish? Sorry, the only time I think about Israel is when Palestinians murder people and start the whole ball rolling all over again and I have to see the carnage on every channel. Sorry but I don't feel bad for Palestinians anymore. When a calf walks into the mouth of a lion, we call this natural selection. Its best not to pass those human genes on.
And did I give the impression that I cared about what someone from Lebanon thinks about what is on my TV? That's why you live there and I live here.
I guess its better to have a fetish over Israel than camels.

 

The Palestinians don't need the pity of ignorant Americans, and camels don't exist in Lebanon. If you can't get that right, you should stick to current events.

 

I just cannot take it anymore.. cannot take it....

 

Yeah, the truth does hurt.

 

You do not know whatcha talkng about, my friend. There's plenty of camels in the Embassy's commissary.

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Nah, the truth does not hurt me. Pure, unadulterated naïveté and ignorance does.

 

You have been provided with information. I know this information is correct. You have been provided with sources. You respond in a childish way with an insult. You have been unable to show that what you say is correct and I have shown that it is incorrect. Your credibility is now zilch.

 

I understand that. The recent posts from pro Israel posters and Christian Zionists have shown them to be incapable of arguing facts and stuck in insult calling.

If you have arguments to what I posted argue it. It is unlikely you will because what I posted was correct. I also suggest you argue the entire post, not take a few words out of context as my time is limited and I do not waste it on time wasters.

 

Both sides can require trade, although yet uncertain for the terms.

 

Yeah and Americans aren't any of your stereotypes either buddy. I will return each of your incorrect stereotypes with one of equal value for you.
Ignorant Americans?
Ignorance means not being aware of something.
Stupidity is being made aware of something but still not getting it. Palestinians know that if they poke the giant their children will die, they poke it anyways. Is that stupidity or ignorance? Which is worse?

 

The last five ceasefires have been broken by Hamas. There is nothing to debate. We all have televisions capable of receiving the signals from the reporters who are there in the streets. Your version is nothing but propaganda.
If Israel wanted to wipe Palestinians off the face of the earth they could easily do it. The fact that the haven't shows that is not their intention. Ill make this very simple for you, stop murdering teenagers and launching rockets into Israel and your children will be safe and these horrific innocent deaths will stop.

 

Of course there is because what you say is not true. It is the facts. I remember I put you on ignore before. I can see why. You are incapable of debate. You can only insult. Again. I provided facts and sources. You are unable to argue them. Now exactly who is following propaganda. I don't know how old you are but I assume you did not receive higher education or you would be aware just saying 'because I say so' gets a large fail. You wish to remain ignorant. So be it. I will not waste my time any more with you as you refuse to honestly debate.