"Hamas is responsible. Hamas will pay." -- Benjamin Netanyahu

The bottom line is, if the best you can say about a government is "at least they aren't as bad as those TERRORISTS!", then that ought to clue you in to the fact that they are doing something wrong. Nobody outside the middle east wanted Hamas as the government when they were elected, for the very reason that governments ought to be able to adhere to higher standards than terrorist groups.

 

Hilarious...says the guy who said " I know this information is correct"
Lets baby step......WHO KILLED THE THREE ISRAELI TEENAGERS? Your article didn't discuss that.

 

Hamas hides their weapons behind women and children. Do you think this is honorable? Seems like something cowards do or are you going to say it isn't really happening?

 

Because I do. I knew all the information in that article concerning who broke cease fires first before and hence am able to argue it. That is what this is about. It is you job to refute what is in that post rather than trying to detract with something else. Something which in it's place I will address.

You are the person who has made the claim that Gaza broke the cease fire five times. Not sure all the five you are talking about. Since Israel moved her settlers out of Gaza and onto the West Bank I think there have been three declarations of war by Israel on Gaza - of course multiple other attacks and extra judicial killings which also kill civilians frequently children. You were wrong in what you said. You have been provided with information which shows that. You are unable to refute that. Do the decent thing and admit you were wrong or get started refuting this post in context

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=367047&page=4&p=1064118559#post1064118559

 

To the rest of the readers here is my "entire" quote:
Hilarious...says the guy who said " I know this information is correct"
Lets baby step......WHO KILLED THE THREE ISRAELI TEENAGERS? Your article didn't discuss that.

You will notice the part he forgot to respond to.

 

You are getting near to being reported. I suggest you look at my posts again and you will see that that was addressed appropriately. Now what we are debating is you claiming that Hamas broke the cease fire 5 times. To that I responded with a post which included an article which showed that this was not correct. http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=367047&page=4&p=1064118559#post1064118559. (post 35) Since then you have responded with various insults claiming you are right but in no way being able to refute the information given. You have now taken to adding other little slogans and now are whining a nonsense appeal to other posters, veiled personal attack, breaking forum rules,

You were wrong. Hamas did not break 5 cease fires. Now attend to that or have the grace to admit you were wrong.

 

Answer or go away. My question is on point. We will start with the latest situation and what caused it then move backwards.

Hilarious, you are going to report me for providing the other readers with my entire quote and not the one you parsed. Go ahead then we can show them your post of where you called into question my education level and how old I was.
Also your link doesn't work.
WHO KILLED THE THREE ISRAELI TEENS? Prove me correct by giving another non answer, posting a link that doesn't work or citing some vague post about where you said you answered it. It is a simple question requiring a short succinct answer.

 

I don't care about rule 1, 2 or 3. If you are going to lie like this, I'm going to call you a liar. It's that simple. Zionism is an ideology that Jews have to live in the Land of Israel. Only the craziest of lunatics can call it racist.

Some zionists may even be satanists. But Zionism itself has nothing to do with purity of blood or anything like this.

No, he didn't. You won't find a single word about race in his book Jewish State. Herzl didn't care about anything but saving Jews from oppression in Europe.

 

I beg your pardon? I am the one still waiting for a response to my post which is not abuse or an apology. That being said there is no question I have been wasting my time replying to you but this morning I have some.

Sorry Darling you do not get to create a different format.

Here is the situation. You made this claim

I refute it http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=367047&page=4&p=1064118559#post1064118559 post 35

to which you reply with an insult

You need to refute what is said in that post not start asking me more questions.

No for your continuous abuse and baiting.

Was fixed within a couple of minutes.

P.S Hamas did not kidnap and murder the teens and their murder was known very early on as that it was highly unlikely to be Hamas.

 

Yeah. How stupid were the Jews to poke the Nazi war machine; how incredibly ignorant were the French Resistance...?

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The answer is we don't know, because the perpetrators have not been caught. We do, however, know who tortured, set fire to and murdered this Palestinian boy...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...g-and-burning-Palestinian-boy-say-police.html

Discuss that.

 

answer or you go on ignore. This is my last attempt.

 

In lieu of the outcome pretty dumb if you ask me.
second part....the suspects are at large and both are palestinians are they not?

 

Which presumably explains why Netinyahoo put political pressure on the airlines to resume flights soon after they banned them.

 

Oh, I see, you are taking the Jewish extremist Netinyahoo's recent propaganda statement at face value? Now, in the interest of clarity in order to avoid confusion, please state clearly in plain English, with dates, the five ceasefires you are referring to. Thanks.

 

I don't think that Hamas is responsible for the murder of the three Israeli teenagers.
It seem to me that Israel has reacted to this with the action in Gaza which I believe is disproportionate and judging by the tactics used will not neutralise the fighting ability of Hamas.

Realistically it's negotiation that's going to put an end the long running Israel-Palestine conflict and not force of arms.

 

You are confused by the term "last five"? Sorry I cant make it simpler.
Now who killed those three teens?

 

another one where you accept propaganda at face value and fail to check.

 

You're assuming some "poke it" for the hell of it.

 

cheeky sod! what I find most concerning with you is that when people do actually give you the information but in subtle ways you are unable to see it in front of your eyes.

 

Who killed and burned that Palestinian boy?

 

Thanks. You have just confirmed to us all that you are merely parroting what your child killing hero Netinyahoo stated without qualification. So, please cite the five ceasefires you are referring to, and then we can proceed. If not, please don't bother this forum with any more of your unsubstantiated BS. Thank you.

 

No they are not and Israel knew this before she started the hunt for them among the West Bank, setting 2,500 soldiers on the people, refusing to allow them to move, arresting everyone they could find who had any link to Hamas and killing at least 9 Palestinians including children.

She knew right from the beginning that the teens had been shot and were almost certainly dead. Two people from a rogue group which do not in any way go with what Hamas said disappeared. It was assumed it was them though of course they might be dead. Here is the story about that

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...an-hebron-hamas-leadership-mahmoud-abbas.html

It was not Hamas though Israel used that to whirl up hatred towards them. The real reason appears to be that she could not stand the reality that Hamas and Fatah had signed a unity deal which had the agreement of the US and EU. In this Fatah was to be in charge. It was a position which made it likely that the Palestinians would be able get a just resolution or at the very least to put enormous worldwide pressure on Israel for that - likely increasing BDS. Israel does not want any justice for the Palestinians and so that was extremely scary for her and so the lies about Hamas and not telling the israeli public that the boys were dead so that they would get more and more emotional and hating Hamas and wanting war and would support the collective punishment which Israel gave to the Palestinians including blowing up the houses of the two disappeared and leaving their families homeless.

Israel was during this time attacking and killing Hamas people in Gaza. The need was to get her to fight back as one of the agreements for the unity Government was that she gave up violence. Israel also refused to allow needed payment to thousands of people in Gaza hence making their situation more intolerable.

so this one concentrates on them losing their unity agreement

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/hamas-didnt-kidnap-the-israeli-teens-after-all.html

This one points out

Read more: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Mi...eens-kidnap-israeli-police.ashx#ixzz38sbvBv9p
(The Daily Star :: Lebanon News :: http://www.dailystar.com.lb)

I would say that at the time many people were praying that Hamas had taken them because if they had the teens almost certainly would still be alive.

This last article talks about Israel refusing to allow the wages to be paid to those in the Gaza. The author believes that had something to do with Hamas eventually sending rockets but really the killing of Hamas's people and the collective punishment of those in the West Bank along with those killed and injured there would likely have been enough and Israel certainly knew that.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/18/o...l-the-road-to-war-paved-by-the-west.html?_r=1

and here just for somewhere to put it

The victims of Gaza: A list of Palestinians killed in Israel's ongoing assault

RIP

http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/victims-gaza-list-palestinians-killed-israels-ongoing-assault

 

Right, so in your opinion both the Jews and the French resistance should have allowed themselves to be massacred wholesale without resisting? Would you, in their position?
We do not know the nationality of the murderers of the three Israelis. Assumption is a dangerous road to follow.

 

Thank you for those articles alexa

Irrespective of which camp one is in. There is one thing that is very wrong about all this and that is the destruction of civilian property and the murder of over 1,000 people of Gaza's civil population.
Not to mention the destruction of vital infrastructure such as the sole power station which is responsible for the strip.

 

Three jews. 29 and two 17 yr olds. Are you going to answer my question now?