The beheading of Christian CHILDREN has begun !

I don't divide people. I simply tell it like it is.

 

But you didn't tell it like it is. That's the problem.

 

it's good to see you back

that's the funny thing with morals. You can't have them part-time.

This outrage lands at the feet of the IRS, the internal cover up of Benghazi, the media, academia etc

all places which worked to elect and re-elect Obama, a POTUS who looks more toward the political winds than what is the morally correct thing to do

 

People have been voicing there suggestions here all morning:

http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...is-militants-have-begun-kurds-iraqis-say.html

Time to get caught up, lee...

 

While I have issues with the reasons given for the invasion of Iraq, the invasion itself was not necessarily unjustified. People were being slaughter. Men, women, and children. Granted, Iraq is not the only place in the world where this happens and we can not invade ever country to stop such atrocities. However, sitting safe and sound in our own homes ignoring them is not the answer.

No, this did not need to happen. We could have kept a strong military presences at the least that might have prevented this. There are many different solutions that we could have considered or executed that might have prevented this situation, however, our politicians are more concerned about campaign speeches and elections then they are about real issues in the world.

 

I voted for Andre V. Marrou to protest the war in Iraq; cold or hot but never the lukewarm “liberal” arts of war.

What was gained by keeping Saddam?
Nothing but a future of deadly bedlam.
The nature of terror requires fear,
Dark shadows where nothing is clear.
Terror stalks quite well despite the laws,
Which don’t stop anything without claws.
“To be, are not” as the bard would say,
let the wolves circle or scare them away,
To come back with what they have sired;
It’s with those tactics war we are mired:
Do you know the tragedy had a reason,
Justice delayed things out of season.
Why should we wait for the rutting pig,
While at the same time our own grave dig.
Read it again, “Hamlet” is full of wisdom,
But requires knowledge of Gods Kingdom.
Claudius understood in that last prayer,
What was delayed made a greater slayer. (Sunday, ‎September ‎23, ‎2001, ‏‎9:46:10 PM)


Once we were hit on 9/11 by Saddam’s One Iraq, Two Iraq, Three Iraq! proxy there were three responses surrender, lukewarm war, or victory, Republicans sought victory and Democrats worked for endless lukewarm war or surrender, which is the point at which one votes for the retarded spirit that could triumph over war.

So yeah, I will talk about it, you going to claim Saddam was not saying his Jihadist proxy on 911 should be helped?

“On the basis of what we said about Iraq while confronting aggressions, the world now needs to abort the US aggressive schemes, including its aggression on the Afghan people, which must stop.
Again we say that when someone feels that he is unjustly treated, and no one is repulsing or stopping the injustice inflicted on him, he personally seeks ways and means for lifting that justice. Of course, not everyone is capable of finding the best way for lifting the injustice inflicted on him. People resort to what they think is the best way according to their own ideas, and they are not all capable of reaching out for what is beyond what is available to arrive to the best idea or means.
To find the best way, after having found their way to God and His rights, those who are inflicted by injustice need not to be isolated from their natural milieu, or be ignored deliberately, or as a result of mis-appreciation, by the officials in this milieu. They should, rather, be reassured and helped to save themselves, and their surroundings. It is only normal to say that punishment is a necessity in our world, because what is a necessity in the other world must also be necessary in our world on Earth. But, the punishment in the other world is faire and just, and the prophets and messengers of God (peace be upon them all) conducted punishment and called for it in justice, and not on the basis of suspicions and whims.” (Saddam Hussein Shabban 13, 1422 H. October 29, 2001.)

“Once again, we say that, injustice and the pressure that results from it on people lead to explosions. As explosions are not always organized, it is to be expected that they may harm those who make them and others. The events of September 11, should be seen on this basis, and on the basis of imbalanced reactions, on the part of governments accused of being democratic, if the Americans are sure that these were carried out by people from abroad.
To concentrate not on what is important, but rather on what is the most important, we say again that after having seen that the flames of any fire can expand to cover all the world, it first and foremost, needs justice based on fairness. The best and most sublime expression of this is in what we have learned from what God the Al Mighty ordered to be, or not to be.” (Saddam Hussein Shabban 13, 1422 H. October 29, 2001.)

Who are the magical “they” that Saddam said, “should, rather, be reassured and helped to save themselves, and their surroundings?” Do they fit with the other pronoun people who Saddam invited to Baghdad in 1997 if they had a serious plan to save Iraq from the “protracted blockade?”

 

Though when Saddam Hussein was committing his atrocities we gave him 12+ years of diplomacy. Here is just one example:

 

You're here to debate the purpose of our government?

Last year the Federal government collected more than 2.9 trillion dollars. Go ahead and explain to me how we don't have enough money to defend American value. Go ahead and explain to me how the 3.8 trillion we spent last year alone was way more important than defending life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Why is it that any time a liberal wants to discuss raising tax revenue they always talk about roads, bridges, police, teachers, the military, but never talk about where the money actually goes. Please tell me: why we don't currently have enough money to pay for roads, bridges, police, teachers, and the military?

As for the "It's all up to you" argument of the left, why wouldn't YOU go over there to defend the the lives of people who need help? It's the classic difference between liberals and conservative thinking. I would roll up my sleeves and go over there, as you put it. I would invite children who need help into my home and foster them. (and I actually do by the way) I would donate my time and my money to help solve problems I see that need to be solved. Liberals on the other hand take two approaches. The demand other people solve the problem, and they demand other people pay to solve it.

 

When you derive your morality from the principle of harm instead of the arbitrary evil morality of Christianity, the quagmire disappears.

 

Channe... though I agree with you, that if we can we should do something.

But how is this any different than Saddam gassing and killing tens of thousands of Kurds.

Even when that happened, and we did DO SOMETHING, the left threw an absolute fit.

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Wrong. I WOULD go over there. And good for you too. I have done the same (well, no foster kids, but I did invite people into my home after Katrina). So quit making assumptions about me. I did not make any about you. I simply asked questions.

But to answer your question- why don't we have enough money? Well, we decided to reduce taxes while waging an 8 year war for starters. That put us in quite a hole. Then we bailed out the banks and the auto companies- all while lowering taxes. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that simply doesn't work. We shot our wad man, and then refused to pay our own bills. Time for the Iraqis and the rest of the world to step up.

 

So acting like a child is justified because of the actions other children took?

What an embarrassment to both parties.

But the pom pons down man... you aren't a 13 year old girl, and you look like a fool acting like one.

 

Doubling down on the dumb isn't the way to go. Thrust me, I'm a nurse.

 

Well maybe not all on Obama, but at least 75% or so. He is the one that's been supporting terrorists and giving them direct military aid since Libya, then arming and funding them in Syria. Have we forgotten the heart eaters? Not like this wasn't foreseeable. The instability in the region was only inflamed by the inaction of the world's only superpower, or worse the world's only superpower picking the wrong side. Where did ISIS come from, they originated in Syria and spread. That only happens because millions of US dollars were spent to support groups like ISIS. Saying Obama is innocent in all this is a joke...

 

For god's sake! It's impossible for you to stop with partisan BS. Nowhere did I say Obama was innocent. But he's hardly cheering either.

You people are completely incapable of having a rational discussion. I suspect many of you don't really care about this issue at all- you just like to sit behind your computer screens and sling mud. For some of you- this is the best thing that could have happened in years, because enow you get to point fingers. Sad.

On that note, since it does not seem possible to discuss this issue in this forum in any civil way, I'm out. I tried.

 

Sadly it sure is partisan. The last guy fought a war against terror, you people came in and changed that to 'man made disasters'. It doesn't get more partisan than the tepid response liberals have had on the issue since the boy king arrived...

Plenty of people were saying that arming and backing terrorists, directly or indirectly was a bad idea. Yet that is exactly what this administration did. Now we see the results and liberals want to cry when its pointed out that common sense should have been enough to significantly decrease or stop the insanity we are seeing in the Middle East...

 

How many Iraqis did Arthur Harris of the RAF gas during the 1920s?

 

Now you are making excuses for Saddam gassing people? You people have no shame whatsoever.

 

This is EXACTLY what was predicted. So typical of the left to be so shallow and hollow of thought to not see the consequences for their policies that put their party first and the country/world last.

 

We provided Saddam with the gas in our proxy war to contain Iran.. and since the Brits gassed Iraqi Arabs and Kurds, he may have thought it was OK..

The US didn't bat an eye in 1988 believing the Kurds got caught in the crossfire.. It wasn't an issue until we wanted to hang Saddam.

 

Ok, have fun flinging your partisan poo. Must be a great day for you, using a tragedy like this to fuel your partisan hackery.

Like I said, I tried to have a decent conversation.

 

Oh for crying out loud... what about when the Spartans used sulfur gas against the Athenians in the 5th century BC? What IS your point?

Were you against going after Saddam when Bush did it?

 

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So one side fighting a war on terrorism and the other using our military might to support terrorists doesn't fall within the political spectrum? It doesn't get more cut and dry than that. The facts are there for all to see, no doubt that's the poo you think is being flung...

US bombs won't solve this problem, it's a Islamic problem and needs an Islamic solution...

 

Yes.. I opposed the war on Iraq.. I knew it would be an unmitigated disaster and hand power to Iran.