Prostitution in the abstract: What is the harm?

I get the feeling you're being cheeky, but yeah that's the idea exactly. There's nothing wrong with regulation so long as it's done voluntarily. Restaurznts ; for instance, are quite easily able to regulate themselves to the customer's preferences and make their policy known - if you dont like it, go elsewhere.

It gets a bit more complicated with roads because they're currently public property, but that can be fixed.

 

Was being a bit cheeky. The reason restaurants are inspected has nothing to do with customers preferences. Restaurants are inspected to insure that their sanitation practices do not represent
a health risk to their customers.

Regulation and testing of prostitutes for STDs would be done for the same reasons. Same kind of rational supports inspection of airplanes. I think there is a need for government regulation where a reasonably knowledgable person cannot protect themselves and the risk of no protection is significant.

 

I believe here that prostitutes are trained to do a visual check of their clients.

 

If the risk is consented to by their agreeing to the terms set by the property owner, there is no cause for concern. Health is not the only preference people have.

If a person wants to have sex with someone who might have an STD, if he doesn't demand that that person has been tested, then that's his or her business. Picture your ideal world where prostitutes are regulated and tested by the state. In such a system, I would have no problem with black market, unregulated prostitutes offering their services.

I have no desire to cage them unless they use fraud.

 

I would screen the john's and the prostitutes and since we're talking about a system that doesn't exist as of yet IN THE ABSTRACT I fail to see your point. No the black market won't go away entirely. It will reduce though, there being a legal and far safer option. See alcohol prohibiton, end of.
I prefer tax revenue, public health, and liberty far more than I value criminal charges on people contracting a service, a plethora of pimps running stables of drug addled and abused prostitutes who cannot get out without fear of deadly reprisals, not to mention the sick (*)(*)(*)(*)s who traffic humans.
It's a market : it follows the rules of a market. Change how the demand functions and you change the supply chain. There will always be a base demand for whores. If you can shift that into a market that checks for bugs and allows prostitutes and john's to report crimes that occur during the act, the supply chain will shift from abused whores kept in line by A Pimp Named Slickback who can't leave. I find that to be a good policy decision, and moral even (in that it helps to prevent more harms. )
You're never going to get rid of the worst part of the market. That is a pipe dream. You CAN however effect the other parts in a bug way freeing up resources to go after the worst bits.

 

Abstractions never come to exist in reality. If the world were perfect there would be neither prostitutes nor johns. the former because there would be no market and the latter because they would all have the girl of there dreams.

 

Every adult knows perfectly that some people have more difficulties than others in approaching the opposite sex, some of these people aren't possibly able to find a partner because of their disabilities, mental diseases etc... i don't think they don't deserve sex just because they are born weaker. Another matter is, when someone has every requisite to find a women, then he could try to improve himself rather than engaging in paid sex.

As far as i know, paid-sex shaming is recent news in history, since it wasn't even a shame to marry a courtesan in the past. Just think that emperor Iustinianus was married to a prostitute. It is the western conquest mentality mixed with christian bigotry which put women's vaginas on a pedestal, giving them a sacred value which they absolutely don't deserve.

 

It's already legal in places like Nevada. Leave it to the states and be done with it.

 

Which means no harm since everything you said is gobblety gook

 

The question for me is one of individual rights and freedoms. If we claim as a society to value these freedom's then the state must come up with a darn good argument in order to make laws that take away these freedoms.

Who am I to tell two people who want to exchange money for sex that they can not do this ? Having sex is a legal activity. People often pay money to do legal activities, skydiving, boating, driving a car and so on. Why should sex be any different ?

Some have brought up the "feminist" argument but many modern feminists no longer agree with the old arguments. Some radical feminists such as Dworkin went as far as claiming that "all sex was a form of rape". The idea was that due to being in an inferior economic condition even a married woman was to some degree coerced into having relations with a man as she was dependent on him due to inequalities in society.

We no longer live in that world. While some inequalities still exist (and those are disappearing fast such as the glass ceiling), it is a joke to claim that a woman in todays world has no other choice but to depend on a man.

If a woman is engaged in prostitution it is not because she does not have other choices available. Unless of course of there is coercion and that is a crime and should be.

Societal harm is a non starter for me. We do not punish all consumers of alcohol for a few that choose to drink and drive. Drinking and driving is illegal.

Just because there is sex slavery is not a reason to punish consenting adults who wish to exchange money for sex.

The bottom line is that most of the angst against prostitution comes from puritanical religious people wanting to force their personal religious beliefs on others through law.

This is against the constitution.

 

Consenting adults should be able to participate in what ever business transaction they wish. Prostitution has existed for thousands of years, what have laws done to hinder it....? The laws do a great job of imprisoning people for victimless crimes, not so much actually stopping prostitution from occurring.

Spirituality is invented by humans, he is entirely correct.

Gravity exists without or without humanity, so I do not understand why you are comparing the two.

 

That is amazingly sexist. What happenened to the girls all having the man of their dreams and the men not being escorts because there would be no market.

 

IOW, you can't find fault with any of it.

 

ALl of it in fact such.

Misogyny anbd misandry for example which ar emerely abstract beliefs.

Or people being imbued with plausible deniability which is simply ignoring what others say and claiming they are brainwashed

 

In case you've forgotten, the official language here is English.

Obviously you don't understand what they are.

As a criticism of anything I said, this is completely incoherent.

 

It was in very coherent english and I do understand what they are.

 

Get real, there isn't a complete sentence in the whole retarded post.

Kid yourself if you must, but ain't no sense tryna kid the y-man.

 

Personally I have no preference. Prostitution falls into a weird legal category where the state is trying to mandate healthy behavior. The moral aspect is part of it for sure, but the spreading of STD's and unethical recruitment practices are more relevant to its illegality.

Put it in the same category as heroine or Russian roulette, not legal by virtue of being dangerous.

A lot of money for sex goes under the radar because it happens to consenting adults under special circumstances. A girl between apartments can be very friendly to a man willing to put her up for free. Girls take gifts from older men and are often willing to go all the way to keep the gifts coming. And on and on...

Prostitution is different because it is handled strictly like a business transaction. Services for payment.

The state believes this activity is unsafe and unhealthy and is unwilling to take the responsibility to change those facts.

 

I am all for legalization of prostitution.
I am also all for even harsher sentences for pimping, human trafficking etc.


Make it a licensed profession requiring passing a test on STDs etc and regular medical checkups. The prostitue becomes an independent entrepreneur who files taxes just like everyone else.

Create areas where these people can "operate" (a la amsterdam), ensure that the practioners are protected from violence and exploitation and all of a sudden a whole bunch of truly scumbag slimebuckets can no longer "live on the avails" of others

 

Morality is ultimately bullcrap expecially when it comes to sex, which is, by nature, unequal. Anyway, nothing can replace a deep and healthy relationship between two human beings.. i wonder if people focused more on one's persona and feelings rather than his/her penis/vagina. A much healtier and fascinating society could be the outcome?...

 

You blubbering out unsupported claims does not make those claims true.

Countries with more liberal sex laws have a much lower rate of sexual violent crime than the US. Sorry to burst your warped puritanical bubble but facts are facts.

It is "lack of sex" that leads to misogyny. Sex is a big force. Men with unsatisfied sexual urges will come to resent women if those urges are not fulfilled and some will eventually act on that resentment in a violent crime.

Prostitutes serve a vital societal function in this respect.

Aside from that, who are you to tell two consenting adults that they can not exchange money for sex.

Prostitution decreases misogyny contrary to your claim.

 

So you believe it should be a criminal act?

 

Women turn to prostitution for the money, the men because they are losers who must pay for their sexual releases and reduce them to business transactions.

Since there is evidently no shortage of women needing money and loser men...prostitution will be on-going whether it is legal or not.

I've seen the areas where it's legalized and controlled...Frankfurt, Germany's red-light district and Amsterdam has a similar red-light district. Women in windows wearing skimpy outfits peddling their bodies for anyone with the money to pay for an hour or so of their time. These areas are seedy and dangerous for the most part...but it doesn't stop males from venturing out and buying a woman's "affection."

Given human nature as it is, and again...emphasizing the reality that dysfunctional "beta" males will always seek this out whether it is legal or not..and the reality women need the money, and laying on your back and spreading your legs pays pretty well for someone with no other marketable skill but their sexuality.

Legalize it, regulate it and most importantly....TAX it. Keep it confined to specific areas..."red light districts." Let the discards of life...the "johns" and the "prostitutes" wallow in their degradation...just keep it confined, regulated and TAXED.

 

I always thought it was weird how porn is legal but prostitution isn't.

In effect, it's illegal to pay for sex unless you film it and then sell copies of it.

 

No. I think it is one and that the state has a valid position in making it so.

If they choose to make it legal I think they could make a good case for that too.

Should and shouldn't don't play into my thinking because I have no personal preference. The legality of it has no moral or ideological significance for me. I do not think its legal standing creates more problems one way or the other. Its a wash.