Black "Thug" Culture, psychology why are they more prone to criminal behavior?

Let me start off with Free Will, because we cant understand this problem without understanding basic psychology. What im about to say is proven fact, its not speculation whatsoever its simply psychology.

Nature vs Nurture, where does free will fall into this equation? Is it "Nature vs. Nurture (+ free will)"? No, of course not. Free will plays absolutely no role in our lives, its an illusion and absolutely 100% of neurological and psychological evidence points directly to this conclusion. People are products of their environment, if you were born exactly as you are now in Saudi Arabia, do you think you would be a freedom loving Christian if you were born over there? Not a chance. You would be exactly like they are, a theocratic Muslim. Can you honestly sit there and say you would still be the person you are now if you were born in Saudi Arabia? Grow the hell up, absolutely all evidence points to the fact that we are products of our environments, nothing less nothing more.

Ok, with this out of the way, lets look at the psychology of "Black thug culture". Why is it in their Genetics and Environment that makes them more prone to crime? We know for certain it is not their genetics making them more susceptible to crime because wealthy black people commit the same amount of crime as wealthy white people, so based on the evidence its purely a matter of environment. Now, what is it in their environment making them act this way and be more prone to violence? No one would disagree that education, both from parenting and schooling, can help a person understand better whats right and wrong. Poor black people, as we all know, often do not have fathers or parents and on top of that they go to the worst schools in the country by far. Can you honestly sit there and pretend this has NOTHING to do with why they act the way they do? As I pointed out earlier, wealthy blacks are not more prone to violence and crime, obviously its because wealthy blacks are raised better in better schools and communities.

Here are the facts,
Effects[
Education[
The prejudice that many young African-Americans experience causes them undue stress which has been proven to undermine cognitive development. Eric Hanushek and his co-authors have considered racial concentrations in schools, and they find large and important effects. Black students appear to be systematically hurt by larger concentrations of black students in their school. These effects extend neither to white nor to Hispanic students in the school, implying that they are related to peer interactions and not to school quality.[71] Moreover, it appears that the effect of black concentrations in schools is largest for high achieving black students.[72]
Even African-Americans from poor inner-cities who do attend universities continue to suffer academically due to the stress they suffer from having family and friends still in the poverty stricken inner cities.[73] Education is also used as a means to perpetuate hypersegregation. Real estate agents often implicitly use school racial composition as a way of enticing white buyers into the segregated ring surrounding the inner-city[74]
The percentage of black children who now go to integrated public schools is at its lowest level since 1968.[75] The words of "American apartheid" have been used in reference to the disparity between white and black schools in America. Those who compare this inequality to apartheid frequently point to unequal funding for predominantly black schools.[76]"

So Right Wingers, now that the facts have been presented to you as clear as day, what will you do now? Deny the facts? Skew them? Attack science as usual? Play semantics about how you make your own decisions therefore free will exists therefore your going to dismiss all the facts?

I have a feeling you are going to do every single one of those in one mega combo of bull (*)(*)(*)(*) and propaganda, but dont worry ill be ready and waiting to dismantle your propaganda right to your face using science and facts.



If you are interested in learning more about the illusion of free will than check out this video by Sam Harris, (im talking to you left wingers, right wingers dont appreciate science and facts the way we do)
[video=youtube;pCofmZlC72g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCofmZlC72g[/video]

 

It's worth mentioning you didn't present a single source to back up your opinions, which you called "science" and "facts".

First off, we don't "know" that genetics play no part in the differences we see. We know that blacks are much more likely to carry the "warrior gene" monoamine oxidase A type allele. This allele has been shown to make one more susceptible to engaging in "fight or flight" responses when confronted with certain situations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_A

You didn't support your claim that wealthy blacks commit the same level of crime as wealthy whites. Do you have anything to support this aside from your say-so?

You touched upon the biggest factor, I believe - that poor blacks are growing up in households with only one parent, usually with the father MIA. In the 1960's only 25% of black children were born outside of wedlock and today that number is 72% . There are many reasons for why this change occurred, and almost all of them are due to left-wing policies and attitudes that have allowed black fathers to abandon their moral and financial responsibility to raise children, leaving the mothers to "marry the Government" and have more children to receive more welfare subsidies. So you have a disproportionately high amount of black male children growing up in households where they are the "man of the house".

The broken family life makes them more likely to join gangs as they get older, usually seeking guidance from older males to fill the void left by the father who was never there. Once they are in gangs, they are much more likely to get a criminal record, making it very difficult for them to get a job and become productive members of society. This increases the likelihood that they will return to crime to get money and status, which will usually cause them to end up either dead or in jail. Meanwhile, they'll knock someone up and the process will begin again.

And you don't really have to take my word for it. Here's Obama:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11094.html

Another problem is that this dysfunction in their community is a sacred cow that the media won't touch upon, since it is the direct result of the left's social programs over the past 50+ years. They are also extremely frightened by the prospect of appearing "racist". So the community continues to wallow in the same toxic attitudes that perpetuate their problems: "the white man did this to me", "I didn't get the job because I'm black and they're racist", "I shouldn't study hard in school because I don't want to 'appear white'". They glorify rappers and other entertainers who get into trouble. They respect "gangstas" who defy the laws of society. They do many things that, if whites were the ones doing it, the media would cover the story 24/7 and put pressure on them to change. Blacks get a free pass due to their allegiance to left-wing causes and left-wing political parties.

You likely will not agree with anything that I just said. It's either a case of white guilt, or you are doing your faithful duty as an agent of the left to perpetuate this cause using Marx's conflict theory sociology.

 

Link to the article cited? Without information on the methodology, studies are useless to make conclusions on.

 

It was from wikipedia,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation_in_the_United_States#Effects

This seems to be one of their citations,
"Eric A. Hanushek, John F. Kain, and Steve G. Rivkin, "New evidence about Brown v. Board of Education: The complex effects of school racial composition on achievement," ‘’Journal of Labor Economics’’ 27(3), July 2009: 349-383."

 

Your "proven facts" don't seem to be proven.

I don't take you seriously but I have to admit, I'm curious about one thing: how did Africans survive without European colonization? Since black people are supposedly innately violent and criminogenic, you'd think they would have killed each other off long before Europeans arrived.



Why is she smiling? Did she just score some wack?



Retired gangstas. Likely all packin'.



Black people taking to the streets. Where is CNN?



The Hood.

 

Well every time I try to find the study on rich whites and rich blacks crime rates all I find is forums like this talking about how black people commit so much crime lol, so if you can find a study that says otherwise be my guest. I do however have a Professor of Law at USC to back up my claims though. If you are going to claim that rich black people commit more crime than rich whites than the burden of proof is on you, not me.
Here is what the Professor has to say,
[video=youtube;3QVHX-sSmvE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QVHX-sSmvE&list=UUKw8kdkYfmuNSVehGoDw8Mg[/video]
one of the greatest interviews of all time, im sure even those on the right would like it to some degree.



As for poor black kids looking up to "gangstas", what do you think poor white kids do and poor Mexican kids? You think Eminem was some rich kid? No, he was a poor white kid. What about poor kids in South America? The majority of them listen to rap music now too. Rap music is for poor people, not just black people. I grew up listening to Mexican rappers because I live in West Texas and its mostly Mexicans here. Here is a perfect example,
http://lubbockonline.com/stories/030201/upd_075-7573.shtml
"About 400 students were involved in a melee Thursday at Andress High School that some students said was racially motivated."
Feel free to look it up, only about 2000 thousand kids go to that highschool, which was my highschool a few years ago, its over 85% Mexican and 400 out of about 2000 got in one massive fight, do you really think it was all blacks vs Mexicans? No not even close, it was literally Mexicans vs Mexicans the only difference was, one group of Mexicans had whites and blacks fighting with them the other group of Mexicans, the Cholo's, were PURE Mexican, those are the "brown pride!" type people. The reason I bring this up is because the Mexicans who are not Cholo's, which most nowadays are not, they are "gangster" Mexicans, they sag their pants and they talk "black" and listen to rap music, Cholo's hate these Mexicans even though they are the same race, they seem them as race traitors. The thing is, "gangster" Mexicans now outnumber the traditional Cholo Mexicans, the same thing is happening in South America if you look at the slums there you see people running around listening to hardcore rap music that sounds exactly like it does here in America, well at least our 90's rap.

Hip Hop is a culture, its not a race. "Hip Hop comes from what you dont have, not what you do have" - KRS ONE



As for the whole warrior gene business, im no expert in biology but I do know the environment you are raised in can turn on and off certain genes so maybe that has a lot to deal with it. The study you showed didnt seem to mention whether or not these genes are active or inactive. I have seen that study before though, it is interesting nonetheless.

 

You seem to be entirely misunderstanding my position, I am not saying black people are "supposedly innately violent and criminogenic", in fact im saying the exact opposite.

 

That's not how a debate works. You said wealthy blacks commit the same amount of crime as wealthy whites. Since you were the one making an affirmative claim, the burden of proof is on you - not on me to disprove your claim.

Some of the poorest people in the entire country are white people living in Appalachia. Why are they not committing nearly as much crime and violence as poor blacks? If they're a product of their environment and are poor, shouldn't they be falling into the same patterns that poor blacks fall into?

Eminem is indeed white but he is not the norm for poor whites. He identifies with a culture that is overwhelmingly comprised of poor blacks.

Inactive and active genes being "turned off" because of environment? What are you even talking about?

 

I re-read your entire post. While I don't fully understand your point, I am definitely wrong about you suggesting that there is a genetic issue going on. My apologies.

 

My point is extremely simply, black people commit more crime because of Environment, not genetics. So, we have to look at what it is in their environment making them this way and the obvious answer is extreme oppression.

 

Sigh, the reason is endless excuses making by professional leftwing race hustlers such as Sharpton, Jackson, and Harris Perry, and Holder, and Obama, and et.al; plus the enabling activities of liberal policies that pour taxpayer funds into the pockets of Blacks WITHOUT ever demanding any meaningful standards of personal accountability and changes of lifestyles. Fortunately the rest of the nation is finally catching on to those realities.

 

"Expression of genes from the human active and inactive X chromosomes."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1716148/

Not all of our genes are active, for example chickens still have the gene inside of them to grow a really long dinosaur tail, but the gene has become inactive and can be re-activated by specialists.


Do poor whites have to worry about not being able to get a job because of racism? Do they have to worry about not being sold a home in a white neighborhood because of their skin color? Do they have to worry about being denied to private schools because of their skin color? They dont have to worry about a huge array of things black people do have to worry about and deal with on a daily basis because of racists such as yourself.

The fact is its the right wing making the claim black people are more violent than whites, so the burden of proof is on you to prove that oppression has NOTHING to do with cognitive development even though its already been proven that it does. You also have to prove rich blacks commit more crime than rich whites because its YOU who is claiming that they do, not me.

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What about before Civil Rights? What about before government intervention into the economy to help blacks? Were black people just doing so amazing up until liberals interrupted that or what? You are totally delusional.

 

What about before the Civil Rights Acts? Why not go back even hundreds of years to other stuff that does not make one iota of difference today? For fifty years leftwingers have been doing NOTHING but making excuses for increasingly bad behavior from Blacks as either individuals or members of Black communities while ignoring those Blacks who buckled down and made something of themselves via hard work because those Blacks have a distressing tendency afterwards to leave the liberal reservation and tell other Blacks, "Quit blaming everything on Whitey and stop listening to all those professional Black and White leftwing race hustlers, and get off your asses and get to work!" That's one reason why the average race-obsessed leftwinger actually seems to hate someone like Bill Cosby.

So there you have it. There are Blacks who make an intelligent and emotionally mature use of all that endless taxpayer funded handout stuff in order to get up and out of the "Woe is me and White folk are EVIL" nonsense and then there are -- from what anyone can tell -- countless more Blacks who WANT to do nothing but wallow in ancient grievances, wallow in race-based paranoia, and keep taking every handout offered, with absolutely no intention whatsoever of breaking the cycle of chewing over ancient grievances, wallowing in race-based paranoia, and keep getting more handouts.

 

I say this to the OP -- So!!!! Life ain't fair. If you are tall, friendly, light skin, with great features and thick hair you have an advantage whether you are poor or wealthy. On the other hand if you are tall, friendly, dark skin, with negroid features and nappy hair you will be at a disadvantage. You can try to change minds, but a mind is a terrible thing to waste.

 

Boy what a racist OP.

There are a lot of generalizations, which, according to liberal principles, is a BIIIIIIIIIIIG no no.

What a goof.

 

Hate Bill Cosby? You mean the liberal Bill Cosby who voted for Obama? "Leftwingers" hate him, eh?

Oh, and plenty of successful blacks vote Democrat, so it essentially makes your entire rant null and void.

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True, life isn't fair. It's why the conservative ideology will soon be reduced to nothing more than a question on Jeopardy. But hell, they had a good run, I'll grant them that. Even though they've basically lost on EVERY issue.

 

Even if we take the position that free will doesn't exist, we legally need to recognize it to maintain order, so how could the law ever enforce a project that rejects the idea of free will? I don't think these kinds of ideas are fundamentally possible.

 

You nailed it!!!

And what SOME who don't know any better than to 'lower' Black people in theirs minds seem to have a problem with, is that THE cultural group they (themselves) are associated with IS and HAS BEEN just as human as all the rest... for literally hundreds of thousands of years.

Racist nonsense gets on my nerves more and more with each passing day.

 

I can buy that. But in this society, anyone should be careful how they actually point that out. There are good reasons that people are on-guard and sensitive to racism.

 

Blacks from day one have been propagandized from the left to believe anything and anything that negatively happens to them is a direct result of their race there for when anything and everything that negatively affects them they believe it is a direct result of their race

when a white person gets pulled over for speeding they believe they was pulled because they was speeding or that the officer thinks they was when a black person is pulled over for speeding they automatically believe the reason why is because they are black

you have wrongfully perceived prejudice and racism and you have actual prejudice and racism. So unless we are able to actually eliminate the false perceived prejudice and racism caused by the constant propaganda from the left we will never solve real racism and prejudice in society and blacks will continue to perpetrate them selves as victims and entitled and use those as excuses for their criminal behavior

 

---Those are symptoms of a deep problem: blacks have been treated like commodities since the birth of this nation. They were slaves turned lose in a capitalist society that would not allow them to fully participate in the economy for a hundred years. What means of survival were they expected to resort to?

---After being released from captivity that saw them compelled to work by whips, beatings, torture etc they were ultimately freed. Why? Because in a capitalist economy you cannot compete with free labor if you have to pay your own employees. It was a commodities issue. Blacks being freed was the equivalent to not be allowed to sell pork bellies because pigs were allowed to live their own lives. That's how objectified the black slave was.

---Once freed blacks were treated like unwanted vagrants. They were not allowed to fully participate in the greater economy. They were not allowed to own prime real estate or any significant means of production. This trend continued over the next hundred years. They were red lined into ghettos where illicit economies proved more lucrative for them because of the fact they weren't allowed to fully participate in the lawful market. There has never been a black iteration of the Fords, Rockefellers, Carnegies, Du Ponts etc.

---If blacks had been given citizenship status and had been allowed to fully participate in the American economy from the outset in 1865, we wouldn't be supplementing vast communities of individuals that descend from abused vagrants. It's been a little over fifty years since blacks have had this much access to the economy. Fifty years is supposed to be enough time for an entire segment of people to change in spite of the profound problems rooted in a history of slavery and then vagrancy? There are people on this board that won't change in their lifetime and their problems aren't nearly as deep.

 

we are talking about black American culture not the black race all over the world

you can take a black person from a different culture from another country and they can come to America and they will thrive

I had a Black person from England in my class when I was in the army training to repair the Black Hawk helicopter me and him had many long conversations and he was led to believe before he came that Americans hated blacks, and he had negative feelings coming to America for training. when he got here after a few weeks he realized it had nothing to do with the black race and everything to do with the black American culture of dependency entitlement and victimhood. he voiced that was the reason many showed prejudice towards blacks here in America not because of their race, but because of their culture. he didn't blame any American for doing so he himself started developing the same prejudices

 

What you said was not proven fact it was actually unproven psychological theory which is strongly contested and debated within the field of psychology itself.

Free will has never been proven by any evidence to play no role in our lives.

The notion that 100% of all evidence proves your claim is an outright absolute lie from the depths of imagination and nothing more.

Since that is the foundation of your OP everything else you posted is nothing more than an opinion supported by no proof

 

so how many more years does a race a culture need to recover from past oppressions? how long can slavery that ended over 150 years continue to be allowed to be used as an excuse for their present behavior
are we another 100 years from now going to allow blacks and their leftist apologist riddled with their white guilt continue to use slavery as an excuse to dismiss there violent destructive culture

 

"poverty is the mother of all crime" - Marcus Aurelius