What is an atheist?

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  1. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Dawkins is part of the "Four Horsemen of New Atheism" with "new" being code for "militant". Mention "militant atheism" and watch the anger come out of the woodwork!


    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2011/12/richard-dawkins-issue-hitchens
    Christopher Hitchens, Daniel Dennett, Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris together for the final time in the NS.

    In the special Christmas issue of the New Statesman, guest-edited by the evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins and available for purchase here, the four leading members of the New Atheism movement have been brought together for the final time.

    The name "Four Horsemen" refers to Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Daniel Dennett and Sam Harris and was first used during a 2007 debate in which they discussed their criticisms of religion and advocated critical thinking.

    Inside the pages of this New Statesman double issue, Richard Dawkins has contributed an essay, "The tyranny of the discontinuous mind" and written the NS leader column, in which he launches a scathing attack on David Cameron and his government's imposition of religious tradition on society in the form of faith schools. He writes:.......
     
  2. ronmatt

    ronmatt New Member

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    Google 'are atheists angry'. Lots o info there'
    Then http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2007/10/atheists-and-an.html
    Even atheists admit to their anger and why. But yet, you're in denial of it. You jez an ol' lone wolf, huh.
     
  3. ronmatt

    ronmatt New Member

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    well, now that we're fast friends and I accept you as my mentor..can you see your way clear to lend me $32,000?
     
  4. ronmatt

    ronmatt New Member

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    I'm being beat up over my suggestion that any anger exists amongst our atheist brothers. It must be coming from those atheists that reside in caves and basements and seldom get out. I dunno.
     
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    If the thought that someone else is angry makes you happy I'm sure you have no other way to find happiness... . If stereotyping everyone gives you comfort I'm sure you are in desperate need of comfort.
     
  6. ronmatt

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    Yes :( I am in desperate need of comfort. That you recognize that is comforting in itself. (there I just hugged my computer :) ). Am I happy about someone elses anger? Not as much as mystified by it.
     
  7. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If he's thinking like me, then it's more about curiosity about others than being happy because atheists are such an emotional mess.
     
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    is this a serious question?

    I'll assume it is and respond. we 'feel the need to defend' ourselves because theists have forced their ghastly death cult on much of humanity for 2000 years, and no one has ever been allowed to complain or resist. to do so meant death, for much of that 2000 years. even now, there are places in the world were it's dangerous to be openly atheist (America, for example), and others where 2000 years of unquestioned primacy has resulted in a profound arrogance. this plays out as an assumption that anything religious will be automatically venerated and can be wifully imposed on anyone, anytime.

    Only someone with a vested interest in silencing critique of religion could possibly think the above would NOT result in active defense of atheism. and we've barely started.
     
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    crank Well-Known Member

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    please see my post, above. you should thank your lucky stars that we're merely 'angry'.
     
  10. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As opposed to Stalin and Mao who murdered theists in an effort to eradicate religion?

    Is this a veiled attempt to say atheists would be willing to try it again?
     
  11. ronmatt

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    Now here is a good response. It's concise and doesn't deny that atheists are indeed angry. It does however go against another posted retort in which the poster states that atheists are not to be grouped. Here's what that poster said "
    You no more can lump them all together than you can lump all white people together and sat they ALL feel this way". You must admit, these varying opinions could lead to some confusion. You're statement "we've barely started" indicates that there is some group thought. Another thought from that poster; "Yup, especially when YOU make them into group thinkers". There is an inconsistency here, would you agree?
     
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    being a deist your also a theist.... as you believe in existence of a god or gods

    http://www.tfd.com/theist

    the·ism (thzm)
    n.
    Belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in a personal God as creator and ruler of the world.

    'especially' doesn't mean 'only'

    (next time try to actually read a post before you reply)
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  13. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    True, but I've seen self-labelled atheists also claim to be pantheists. Personally, I'm more of an panentheist.

    I even made a joke of it on an atheist aka "secular" forum and labelled myself a Panentheist Zen Gnostic Christian. PZGC for short.
     
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    And why would I be thanking my lucky stars? Do you folks plan on attacking some Mall Mangers this year? I pretty much shop at cyber stores these days, I doubt that I'll be swept up in the melee. If you plan on targeting a few churches, I'm not Christian. I won't be there. If you plan on smearing 'In God We Trust' off of some currency, I use debit cards. Defacing some public buildings or possibly burning some bibles? It just won't have the effect on me that you may be expecting. So, all said, I feel quite secure. I suppose that maybe you're simply venting. Good for you..venting relieves pressure.
     
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    Do me a favor please, don't assume anything. You're simply not good at assumption. It seems that once you get an idea stuck in your head.....it ain't going away. regardless of how many times I tell you. ( I'll wager that you're a Democrat and take your jackass quite seriously) I'll try one last time to set you straight. Deism is the idea that some kind (not God in the traditional sense) of intelligence created the universe, yet chooses not to interfere with it or its inhabitants. That means that there are no answered prayers, no miracles, no revelations, etc. Additionally, the deist generally believes that while something (not God in the traditional sense) created the universe, things like the Big Bang, evolution, etc actually occurred, but something just got the ball rolling.

    The theist on the other hand believes that God is an active participant in the world, answers prayers, talks to people, sends divination's, etc., and literally created the world in some way instead of just getting it started.

    Now go to wikipedia as often as you choose. Google all day long. You won't find 'what ronmatt believes'. You can only get that from me.
     
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    I'm sure many things mystify you.
     
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    .. your wishful thinking that atheists are emotional messes has some serious facts/proof to back it up......???

    No.
     
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    Why, yes they do. Ain't that great? Once things stop mystifying it's time to open a wrist or two. Too bad you're not mystified and have all the answers...gotta be a bore.
     
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    No, some things do mystify me but I don't resort to making things up to de-mystify them as you do.
     
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    Just the atheists, like the theists, who rant and rave on the forums. It's prima facie evidence.
     
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    I think the accusation that atheists are "angry" is a deflection and an ad hominem.
     
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    Deflection from what? As previously stated, like theist whackos, I've seen plenty of angry atheists. Why do you think only theists are angry? Why do you believe all atheists are as pure as the driven snow and as honest as a sunrise?
     
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    Either you're a theist or an atheist - it's binary. If you believe in a god - "traditional" or otherwise - you're a theist. If you aren't a theist, then you necessarily don't believe in a god, and you're an atheist.

    Do you believe in a god? Yes or no?
     
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    It's not faith - it's a simple application of Occam's razor. What explanatory power does the non-physical have?
     
  25. Max Rockatansky

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    It doesn't. Atheists are free to think that the only things that matter are what are in front of their noses and are equally free to choose avoid wondering about the circumstances resulting in the Big Bang and the one-shot reality of our universe's eventual demise.
     

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