Shooter is a Canadian, "self radicalized", Michael Joseph Hall.

It matters a helluva lot what you call it. If a man intentionally runs down your family member in a car and runs off and you call it a car accident? You place more in danger.

Is this really difficult? Failing to articulate the essence of the struggle is what leads to convoluted means to fight it.

And failure to contain it.

It leads to idiotic policies allowing west Africans to enter the nation and out us all at risk for concerns over appearances. It is the root of modern evil. PC.

 

No, what we call it is Optics, and that's all it is. Infact, calling it terrorism give the act more power as a propaganda tool, which plays into the hands of the terrorists.

Also, this guy was no muslim.

 

It matters because being PC in a violent world only makes us more of a target for displaying weakness and a lack of understanding of exactly what the issue is. Extremism within a religion is the problem. We saw it in Oklahoma City recently, we saw it at Fort Hood and we have now seen it in Canada. We can close our eyes to the reality, but it's not workplace violence and it's not just crazy people. It's extremism backed by religious beliefs that have prompted the actions. Ignoring it only demonstrates weakness, fear and PC where PC is not needed.

You don't understand what terrorism is? http://www.merriam-webster.com

Sure it's an example of terrorism. Do you think it was a coincidence that he converted and almost immediately went after Canadians? This isn't a game.

 

If you drink everytime the OP complains about Fox News, you'd get wasted pretty quickly.

 

I agree that Cruz's physical appearance works against him. Outright ugly or in his case sleazy-looking people rarely become president regardless of message or accomplishments. One of the reasons that a super featherweight class politician like Obama shot to the top so fast was a combination of a beautiful speaking voice and acceptable good looks by 'thin is in and a brown skin-shade to die for' standards; and be damned about the actual nature of the words that tumbled from his lips or his actual political and personal background.

But, yes, an unambiguous speaker is always appealing on the Right but the trick to that is that he or she has got to also be a very clever and careful unambiguous speaker so as not to hand the generally Right of Center disdaining Mainstream Media wonks, pundits, and journalists ammunition to be used against said politician in their unofficial capacity as the functioning political propaganda arm of the Democratic Party's leadership. Ahem! Just to let you know, I am a total cynic where such things are concerned . . .

Still . . . enough straying off the Opening Post's topic. Well done Canadians not only in stopping an Islamic terrorist cold but also in being willing to buck Barack Obama's often demonstrated preferences by calling a fluking damn Islamic terrorist . . . a fluking damn Islamic terrorist. Nice!

 

Stephen Harper has not pandered to these extremists at all. If I am not mistaken, just in one year alone he deported close to 2,000 questionable illegals/criminals out of my country, and given that in the entire history of our nation, there had been only something like 50 ever done prior to Mr. Harper...he doesn't take the soft approach. He took a severe stance on Iranian Embassy as well, after telling them he won't tolerate their radicalized propaganda that they spew. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-closes-embassy-in-iran-expels-iranian-diplomats-1.1166509

Harper is pretty tough, even if the face of the loony leftists that seem to permeate all the political parties and media.

 

Thanks for playing the Neville Chamberlain card. I can sense your trembling from here.

The point is the success of ISIS in Iraq and Syria creates its own recruiting momentum and their exhortations , regardless of how ignorant the exhorted, is dangerous. If you are the widow and orphan of the slain Canadian solder , does the radicalized shooter's religious bona fides matter ?

The success of ISIS in creating a nascent state is the fault of Obama's not recognizing the essence of the matter and thus the threat expands.

If you refuse to identify a movement accurately, you can't contain and destroy it. Can you?

 

Which is why we see so many radical Jews strapping on bombs and killing innocent civilians. Or beheading non-believers on camera. Or exterminating whole villages, raping women and children, stealing peoples property. And we are seeing more and more converts to Judaism and then going out and running over people with cars or shooting soldiers. Your comparison of Judaism and Islam is absurd.

 

I honestly don't think a conservative needs to play to any perceived middle. It's a ruse.

Reagan conservatism wins. Always. When mitt got clear and tough in debate number one? He had Obama on the ground. When he backed off and allowed idiot Candy Crawley to interject her bias and went soft? He blew it.

So. I say mock the war on women. Mock the "GOP obstructionism" meme. Ask voters if this economy helps women and ask why the Dems prefer in insult women's collective intelligence by suggesting 49 year old constitutionally protected birth control measures are under assault, etc.

 

Thanks to those who actually decided to talk about this, rather then using it as some way to dig at Obama.

Harper rightly called it an act of terrorism, but I really hope that these isolated incidents don't fuel paranoia in our country. Personally I would rather we continued on as usual so as to show that crap like this won't cause us to give in to the fear that people like the shooter are striving for.

 

Criminal murder is not "Islamic doctrine".. nor is terrorism.

You do realize that Muslims have condemned terrorism world wide.

 

Recent converts to any religion tend to be over the top...

However, I am surprised that a Canadian citizen would fail to see that we don't revert to murder because our candidate lost or kill an innocent over some decision made by government...... unless the convert was already a hopeless criminal type or mentally ill.

 

Obama has many faults of his own, and we don't need to get out a bulldozer to push them into this thread, surely. No, the problem that has been building for decades is that of violent, militant Islam. It has become a real (REAL) "clear and present danger" to all of civilization. It needs to be removed, permanently.

When you discover that there's a nest of rattlesnakes on your property, and the snakes threaten you and all the other wildlife in the area, what do you do? As a boy in West Texas I learned what you do... you get a couple of your friends with shotguns, and a gallon of kerosene. You pour the kerosene into the snakepit and light it up. Those snakes that make it out alive get cut down by you and your friends with your shotguns. The rest burn up in the pit. END of problem...

And remember -- "Whatever you tolerate, you will get MORE of!"

 

Margot, please allow me to introduce you to significant portions of the Koran that address the Muslim philosophy toward the "infidel". I tried to post this verbatim on a Forum thread but it exceeded the limits for any one post -- by more than double! What can it be? Set aside at least half an hour to learn just exactly what the attitude of "peaceful" Islam really is -- from the Koran itself:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

This "religion" has become a very real, "clear and present danger" to all of mankind. The time has come for it to become truly peaceful, and respectful of the beliefs and lives of other people, and of their right to live in peace, or Islam itself must be eradicated!

 

Every religion has it's extreme side. Christians have the KKK and guys like Timothy McVeigh, Jews have Baruch Goldstein, and groups like the Bat Ayin Underground.
Unfortunately these days, extremist groups have realized that the best way to blend in is to take off the uniforms and sheets, and shake off blatant vernacular, and to hide in the populace until they strike.

Strike down the religion, and the crazy people will just link up to another ideology that gives them the internal justification for their violent acts.

 

The news reported several weeks back that Canada was on high alert after ISIS called for "lone wolfs" to kill Canadians. Why then was the Parliament no secured better? The Canadian police chief said the shooter drove up next to the front doors. If that is true I find it incredibly hard to believe the government was so negligent in their approach to the threat.

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The radical Muslims are a much larger group of fanatics than any other religious groups you named. The threat from radical Muslims is worldwide.

 

What about his ISIS friends and his social media regarding jihadist support?

 

Because I highly doubted anyone thought it would actually hit here. At least now there will be guards at the door.

*shrug* and if you stamp out 'Islam', they will just attach themselves to something else that allows them to justify killing people they don't agree with.

 

Recent converts to any religion tend to be over the top...?! And so now you are going to claim you are an expert on Born Again Christians?

 

I like you in general.
This attempt at relativism is dishonest. Deeply dishonest. Let's take "radical" Islamics, however you personally define them, and make them a group... we will call it group A. Then take every other radical religious group, and put them in group B. How many times does group B go into group A by your own arbitrary measure?

This is a much bigger problem than you are pretending it is.

I really want that estimated ratio in your answer.

 

You are confusing all of Islam with ones that are radicalized. And yet you accuse rightwing posters of generalizing all Muslims as being radical.

 

Depends on chronology. Both of those major religions (relative to their age) went through the same thing Islam is going through right now.

But as I said repeatedly, taking away Islam won't stop extremists from violent acts.

 

I thought rampage shootings only happened in the United States according to Canadians???

How are canadians going to feel superior to Americans now???

 

I'm sorry but what? I'm not confusing anyone with anything. I'm saying that Extremists will use whatever means they can to justify internally and externally, the violent acts they commit. Islam is the excuse because it's an easy one. There are millions of moderate Muslims who just want to leave in peace with the world.