GOP To Iowans: Your Neighbors Will Know If You Dont Vote Republicans

Who in the hell has heard of this?? I am precinct captain and I know how everyone in my precinct is REGISTERED and IF they voted and how many times in the past (I can't remember the # of cycles, I think 4) I have no idea who voted for whom! And never have and I'll assume NEVER WILL. And if the IOWA REPUBLICANS ARE LYING ABOUT THIS. Shame on them!!!!!!!!


GOP To Iowans: Your Neighbors Will Know If You Don’t Vote Republicans
BY JUDD LEGUM POSTED ON OCTOBER 31, 2014 AT 3:05 PM

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The GOP is trying to convince Iowa voters on Facebook that their neighbors will know if they voted Republican.
Screenshots of Facebook ads, promoted by the official Facebook page of the Republican National Committee feature an ominous message: “NOTICE: All Voting Is Public.” The ad tell voters that “In a few months, Iowa will release the list of individual who voted in this election.” Most troublingly, the ad includes an arial view of a neighborhood with checkmarks indicating that “These People Voted GOP.”
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It is true that voter participation in elections in public information. But how a someone voted, including what party they voted for, is not. The secret ballot has long been considered a hallmark of American democracy.

The ad is a variation of a GOTV (Get Out The Vote) strategy called “vote shaming.” The tactic is employed by liberals and conservatives to use social psychology to increase the chances that people vote. In every state but Virginia, whether or not you participated in an election is public. “f you publicize something, it has a very powerful effect on behavior,” Chris Larimer, an Iowa political scientist, told USA Today in 2012.

The Facebook ads at issue go beyond traditional “vote shaming” by strongly implying that their ballot will not be secret. Two Facebook users who posted screenshots of the ad on social media confirmed to ThinkProgress that they had seen the ads on their Facebook newsfeed.

The RNC and the Iowa GOP did not return requests for comments.

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2014/10/31/3587414/iowa-republican-facebook-ads/

 

Hard for me to care since the left's official platform is nothing but shaming and bullying.

 

The psychological term is called PROJECTION. Go ahead look it up, I'll wait.

 

If calling everyone on the other side racist and so-on isn't meant to shame or bully, why is it done?

 

I wouldn't doubt if the democrats planned on shaming people for how they vote. Whether they use party affiliation or some other method of figuring out how people voted, the vengeful hatred of destruction of their enemies is trickling down from this White House. If they can use the NSA and the IRS to go after republicans, I wouldn't be surprised to see them use records obtained via electronic voting machines to investigate their enemies (neighbors).

 

I think it's a GREAT idea!!

This way we know that our vote was counted for who it was supposed to be counted for and we can verify.

I hope everybody does this.

 

If it's true then they're wrong to do it. However I also eagerly await your thread on this http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...nd-Letters-Threatening-People-To-Vote-Or-Else since it does seem to be something you would be concerned about.

 

Sorry, Rainbow, but this is like civility, racism, hatred. The left has immunity. They can be a crude, as racist, and as hateful as they want. It's called, "Whatever works!" But, the judgmental little twits feel quite comfortable passing judgement on others.

 

what is that, break voting laws? this has to be a scam as not even republicans are that stupid

if this is real, someone needs to go to prison for voter intimidation....


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Don't get so excited, there are of course Democrats doing the same thing. Only worse:

http://nypost.com/2014/10/30/democrats-threaten-voters-to-get-to-the-polls/

 

But that link only goes to an article about people threatening to publicize who voted and who did not (which is public information), NOT threatening to say who they voted for.

I don't mind letting people know that I voted. I even wear a little sticker they hand out that says "I voted". But HOW I voted is simply not supposed to be known - and indeed, I don't see how it could be known, since I submit ballots without any sort of personal identification on them in any way. I've voted using punch cards, voted drawing arrows on paper ballots, voted in both electronic and mechanical voting machines, and none of these voting procedures has any way of connecting me with any of the votes I cast. Not only do I split my ticket in most elections, but each election has a number of other things like proposed ordinances, amendments, or referenda which aren't usually associated with any political party.

Bottom line: If anyone is saying they are publishing who individuals voted for, they are fabricating fiction. They dont' know.

 

I would like to know that my vote went to the candidate that I wanted it to go to.

How do I know my vote was counted correctly?

 

anyone committing voter intimidation should go to prison, do not care what party they are, can't believe some republicans are cheering this on

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Something you, of course, would never dream of doing.

 

now, I would not have an issue with you getting an ID number (receipt) and being able to verify your OWN vote, that would be a good idea and anonymous except for an ID number of the voter card

that is not what this is about though, that would be another topic altogether


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You have put your finger on an age-old problem. As Stalin said, "it doesn't matter who the people vote for, it only matters who counts the votes." Even the most scrupulously honest precinct workers can only report counts of the number of votes for each item on the ballot. They cannot know who cast which ballots. And the only solution to this is a NON-secret ballot. There is an excellent reason why ballots are secret, as this thread illustrates.

 

It also wouldn't work. Usually, if you can see how you voted after submitting the ballot, so can others. Nor do you have any control over those who count the votes. All too many precincts in the US report vote counts that have nothing to do with the ballots actually cast.

 

the voter card they give you would be anonymous, not tied to you in any way... you would only be able to see how that one ID voted, course if it was wrong, how would you prove that ID was yours - maybe by having the actual receipt from the card

if the vote was wrong, you would have a week to dispute it, go back in and re-vote

course that could cause problem when someone votes for a 3rd party and that wants to change their vote later because their guy lost

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Not the point. Even with all that, if the precinct workers are dishonest, it doesn't matter how you voted.

 

sure it would, the machine you enter them into would then be uploaded, and that uploaded data is what would be matched, thus take the "local" out of the mix

you have a card, you mark it, then you have a receipt you tear off before sliding it into the counting machine

if the national mismatched, the local would verify what they had based on that id, and if it did not match the national result, well that is a problem

you then have a local physical copy and a local electronic and national electronic copy - all tied to that receipt

redundancy in the system

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I think we could effectively do so for presidential campaigns with this very method. Publish the votes of every single person who voted for president. That way we can verify our votes and we can even verify the count.

Now the issue would be privacy. And how to do so without showing who a specific person voted for and causing intimidation.

Why not issue every individual who votes a randomly generated number at the time of them voting that also had who they voted for on the printout along with the random number. Then a list with those numbers can be published and each person can take their randomly generated number and verify that their vote counted for who they wanted it to count for.

And if there was any discrepancy, the person could then take his printed out number up and show it. That way we could verify our votes and, if there is enough of a discrepancy in the numbers, also verify the count was correct.

 

which is why more than one system should count the votes and they should match....

cheating one system is much easier then cheating 2 or 3 or more

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I would have the random number attached to the voting cards.... so when the card was given to someone, the ID portion would be on the card, people could be required to pick a 4 digit id to pass code it, so that the local folks could not write down the ID's ahead of time

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The OP forgot to mention that vote shaming was used by the Obama campaign in 2012 and is currently being used by Democrats as well. How convenient that yet another partisan hack says "Do as I say, not as I do"

http://nypost.com/2014/10/30/democrats-threaten-voters-to-get-to-the-polls/

 

That sounds reasonable as well.

Well lookey there... a couple forum internet junkies solved an age-old problem AND it was bipartisan lol