Conceited CCW holders

I asked you to DETAIL the process. How do you ensure that background checks are performed in Bob's driveway? Is it voluntary and anonymous? The honor system?

 

Likely, he hasn't thought that far ahead.

 

Seems not. What he is suggesting cannot be practically implemented or enforced without creating a database with names and serial numbers. And that runs afoul of the Constitution.

 

..and the Brady Bill which forbids the Fed Gov from creating such a data base

 

What would be wrong with making all deals go through registered dealers?

 

Because you can't. The only way to do that would be to create and maintain a database of ALL guns, and track their movements. Not only is that not possible, it's also not legal, nor is it constitutional.

The only way to impede criminal use of guns is to come down hard on the criminals that use them. To try to impede criminal usage of guns by restricting lawful owners is... well.... insane. I mean, it's like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own a car. Where's the logic in that?

 

To get back on track, how are CCW holders conceited?

 

I look in a mirror and am amazed at how well I married.

 

I'm a right handsome man myself, or at least my wife says so
[video=youtube;-07_2DWfEmQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-07_2DWfEmQ&feature=player_embedded[/video]

 

I'm not all that handsome, but the wife says I more than make up for it in.... ahem.... other ways.

 

some of these folks in here don't really give a damn about our Constitution and they tend to be totalitarians and communists

 

Yeah, I know. It's disheartening to see. But, Logician keeps saying "Why wouldn't you want to make it harder for criminals to get a gun?". Well, I'm all for that if he has some sort of legal, constitutional, workable plan to do it. So far, he has presented nothing.

I have often said, if I could have access to anonymously query the NICS, I would voluntarily do so, for my own protection, every time I bought or sold a used firearm. I'd also like to have anonymous access to a database of stolen guns. I'd use that too, again for my own protection.

But neither of these things will have any impact on criminals, or their ability to acquire firearms, because criminals aren't buying guns where background checks are happening, and they aren't going to sell a stolen gun to people who will check. They're buying them from other criminals. They don't care if you pass more laws, because they don't obey laws. Else you could just pass a law making it illegal to murder people, and that would solve the problem.

 

all of the arguments are merely precursors for total confiscation. The anti-gunners would have us believe that they aren't after the guns. This is another method of backdoor grab.

 

Exactly. If you can't ban and confiscate, the next best thing is to try to make ownership too arduous or expensive for regular folks.

So, can laws be passed that DO affect criminal behavior with firearms?

Maybe. How about this: "Possession of a firearm during the commission of a violent crime is punishable by automatic life sentence (no parole) in federal prison, and forfeiture of ALL property (cars, cash, real estate, clothing, jewlery, etc) to the state."

 

I could go along with the part I bolded. The second part not so much. As this would have a negative impact on innocent people. If you commit a crime with a gun,would it be fair to you're wife or family to lose everything ,for something you did?

 

You could make the same argument for putting the breadwinner of a family in jail. It could be argued that the loss of income by incarcerating the defendant adds his family to the list of victims (and therefore charges).

You have to admit, it would make for a STRONG deterrent though, would it not? Would a person think twice about committing a violent crime if they knew the state would seize their house and car and bank accounts when they got caught? They have a chance of some small gain by committing the crime, but run an excellent chance of losing it ALL for themselves and their family.

I'm not advocating for this. I don't think it would be legal, or moral to do. Point is, the ONLY answer we have to violent crime is to come down HARD on the criminals. How do we do it?

 

As a deterrent ,I would agree that it would work. Instead of life in prison,I would like to see a automatic ten years tack on to any crime involving a gun. I don't want to see taxpayers having to pay for any more then we have too.

 

While we are at it, why don't we do prison reform. Too many prisoners are getting too much access to our courts and are almost lawyers by the time they get out. They are learning to become better criminals, getting cable TV, premium healthcare, access to weights and other fitness equipment. This all needs to end. They have more free time and amenities than I have, and I have always paid my taxes and never been arrested.

Prisoners should be required to grow their own food and build furniture for government facilities. The only people being paid to work there should be guards and medical staff. They should be making our license plates and their own clothing. (They should not be allowed to make guard uniforms for obvious reasons. Only orange jump suits and shoes.) Inmates who refuse to work will not get credited for time spent in prison. Making prison a harsher place will prevent a lot of crime.

Sorry, I chased a rabbit.

 

At one prison I worked at for a construction company they made prison uniforms and prison soap for other prisons.

 

Georgia women's prison used to make underwear and gun cleaning patches. Don't know if they still do.

 

Kinda, like all abortion seeking pregnant females (young girls to full womanhood) going to the local church/synagogue/mosque to clear their abortion with the minister/rabbi/imam?

 

The analogy does not fit

 

I agree, it takes well over 100 hours of personal training under a top instructor, and as much more practice, before the civilian has the ability to do anything much in the way of defending themselves with a gun, legally and responsibly. the cops get 50 hours of training and they screw it up all the time. I've got 500 hours of instruction and probably 10,000 hours of practice, 200k rds fired in close, fast pistol practice a million draws and drysnaps.

 

The flaw in your emotional rant is that if a CCW holder is available and stops someone, there would be no 'mass shooting'.

A possible mass public shooting stopped by a concealed carry permit holder

These kind of things happen all the time, often without firing a shot but because someone is unsuccessful in killing people then it will never make the news.

 

Pure speculation

Meanwhile there have been 29 mass shootings perpetrated by CCW holders
http://www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm

That is a ratio of 29:1