Why do debates about religion get so negative?

Is it civil to threaten people with being tortured and tortured and tortured like Jesus did to those 3 cities for not believing that his magic was real? I'm far more civil than the immoral Jesus, and so are you. I admire the compassion that you've shown on this forum, but I don't admire Jesus' hatred of non-believers. I admire you more than Jesus. When was the last time someone said that to you? They should say it more often.

 

I understand it differently. Most atheist like most Christians are ok people. However forum are an attractant to bigoted atheists. By bigoted I mean close minded. So I am saying the bigoted atheists paradigm is ridiculous to everyone, if you didn't grow up with them. Really, most atheists beliefs when seen from the perspective of science and cosmology are irrational. They will not even admit their own loves ie science and such support a religious or spiritual paradigm much better than an atheist worldview.

A Christian who is actively attempting to live by the teachings of Jesus is tolerant of others beliefs but does not condone them. That's not to say we do not have our own bad apples! I can turn on the plasma and see any number of Christian evangelists that make me nauseous with their parasitic requests for love gifts seeds and other such crap. All religions, ie Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, etc have those that are without question bad apples. So I am not claiming we are anything special.

That is true. I have talked to a few souls that are think ridiculous we have walked on the moon. Still he may know much more than I about other subjects. Still, the best advice I can give for someone that is so opposed to a certain subject that it only his opinion is valid, is avoid it. If your mind is closed there is no need to waste your or my time in a forum meant for productive debate. I do wonder why those kinds of atheists want to hang out in christian threads etc...(not really I know why..but you get the point eh?)

Could be, but the reverse is true in most cases. I feel a bigot, a completely closed mind is the definition of stupidity. I began life and was an atheist until I was old enough to drive. But evidence (everything from science to math to philosophy) and life experience forced me to change my world view. Still I am open to change and will keep an open mind about the existence of God. There is another thing to consider as to why a christian seems more easily angered than most. Think road rage. Even a nice dad and all around nice guy can be moved to cursing and all sorts of as you say ‘vitriol’ ie highly pissed off for what seems a small transgression. Maybe all it takes to sit him off is someone pulling in front of him. Or driving 40 mph in the left lane of a 75 mph interstate. But alas, it's not the driver that just cut dad off that makes him so angry. No it’s the thousands of jerk drivers that came before this one who cut him etc. Its called cumulative anger. When a jerk atheist (as opposed to a good normal atheist) comes out slinging insults about a God we love more than our own mother, and makes similar insults not just once but hundreds of times, what do you expect, a hug? Yes come on over here I have a big hug for you. Lol.

Usually a forum setting is about the ONLY place a poor atheist* can really say what he wants and not worry about losing a few teeth by someone even a Christian that has taken temporary leave of his senses due to never-ending hate speech. No the situation is reversed my friend. If an atheist begins by being untactful and spewing insult after insult against Christians etc he is not here to discuss anything. And we do know that. But what an atheist doesn’t know I fear is that they by being jerks are reinforcing the title they won of being the most hated minority on earth. If I were an atheist I would be working overtime to earn a better title for my atheist brothers and sisters.

reva

 

Get over it already.....

 

So now, the man who said the greatest commandment was to love others, is filled with hatred? LOl.

I think few people actually understand the person called JC. And, I doubt that they really want to understand it. Too much fun upsetting those Christians who don't understand him either. LOL.

 

Speaking of that, Jesus is actually WORSE than that. If YOU were Jesus, and large numbers of southern slave owners in the US years ago were killing/raping/torturing blacks, and the main book about you ENDORSED slavery (actually gave instruction on how to BEAT slaves!) wouldn't you have used your all-powerful magic to educate them that that book about you was completely wrong? You know, because it's the moral thing to do. I would have, and it would have prevented the killing/rape/torture of untold numbers of innocent black people. Would you have?

 

Jesus was so filled with hatred that he (allegedly) doomed the people of those 3 cities to torture, torture, and even more torture ("hell") because they didn't believe that his magic was real. If that's not hatred, I don't know what is?


[Edit: Actually I DO know what is: saying that ALL people who don't believe that his magic is real deserve torture, torture, and more torture!]

 

How do you know there is a burning hell ? Second what bit of scripture are you relating those comments to exactly?

reva

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First if it was magic what torture torture torture did those people suffer?

Lol, typical.

reva

 

Then there is a tremendous misunderstanding involved here. For if you only love others who love you, what good is that. His words. The greatest commandment is to love others. Logically, JC has to be more moral than a sinner. In fact, he has to be pure love.

First you have to actually understand his teaching. If you understand that, then there will be no misunderstanding. For instance, if I were teaching love, and the transcendence of the ego, I could say that if you do not transcend the ego, you will live your life in hell, the hell of psychological fears, psychological suffering, which all of humanity does to various degrees. We even pay shrinks to help us out. We do all sorts of things to escape it. I could even say that unless you do this, you will be doomed to hell. The hell of daily existence, and it is hell inwardly for many people, and most people sooner or later. Now, there would be no hate whatsoever involved in me pointing that out. But, someone could misunderstand my words and accuse me of hatred. Yet none was ever there. And if my words were translated into other languages, who knows how people would understand what I said.

A little bit of logic goes a long way here. Yet if one doesn't "get" the teachings of JC, then the rubbish starts.

 

Can we take that evasive reply as basically a "no, I rather enjoy the part of the Bible that is happy about dashing babies against rocks, so of course the last thing I want to do is remove it."?

To make the Bible more moral, perhaps that verse could be replaced with the words "love everybody"? That would of course go against Jesus' strict policy of hating non-believers so incredibly much (MOST forum members here are hell-bound, apparently, for simply picking a different super-hero) that he clearly CAN'T "love everybody", but I thought I'd at least try.
Have a great day.

 

Seeing how you brought up the horrors of cancer: if you had Jesus' supposed magic super-powers, would you give us the cure for cancer (or create one)? I bet Wyrd would. Would you?

 

But, my friend, don't you feel guilty that he's done YOU good, but chose to not even warn (just warn!) the 100,000+ people (including innocent children who are of course younger than you) who were killed in the "act of god" Aceh tsunami? If I believed in god the guilt would haunt me. Or do you believe that since he helps you in non-life-threatening occasions that you are a better person (apparently) than the people he clearly didn't help in their life-threatening time of need?

 

Just please, PLEASE, whatever you do, don't compare us to the horrific god of the Bible. I implore you.

 

You do.
And you hate that you do.

 

Clearly they don't, or Christianity would of course, over the last many many centuries, have been able to statistically/scientifically show that Christian prayer is far more effective than than the prayers of other religions - because they of course would actually have the all-powerful god on their side(!), while like the Bible clearly implies, all other religions are false (so while you are praying to the all-loving, all-powerful entity, THEY are just looking like fools talking to no one but themselves.) I'd feel quite foolish talking to myself, since their is no science behind Christian prayer being way more effective than prayer of other religions.

 

Jesus/Mohammad/Moses are on the ropes, and are getting oh so tired. Reality and science are relentless, and are starting to take a big toll on them. We know who will win in the long run.

 

No, this will never happen. Science can not beat birth rate and people of faith. As A non believer myself I find your tantrums amusing and insulting.

 

In other words, their fear and magic are useless against you.

 

Of course it's chance.....or else you have to explain to us how some intelligent all-loving "designer" was so all-HATEFUL that he designed Ebola (kills innocent children), and designed cancer, and designed AIDS, and designed wasps that lay their eggs inside caterpillars so the young can feast on the still alive creature - killing it slowly and painfully. Clearly no all-loving being who cared for his "children" would do that. But maybe Modern Secular Humanism is simply more moral than "god" is....in which case he obviously hasn't earned my worship.

 

A reality-based belief system or a non-reality-based belief system. I know which one I have my money on.

 

Where exactly is my logic wrong in these threads? Please be specific.
Thanks.

 

So how long do think it will be before people get fed up enough with the "global war on terror" (the longest war in US history, with no end in sight, and their desperately want to get nukes) to admit that the real underlying problem is not one particular Abrahamic faith, but rather the believe in "faith" itself?

 

Your statement is 100% untrue. Plenty of atheists don't tolerate religion. This thread is a wonderful example. People get made fun of for (as you atheists call it) believing in a "flying spaghetti monster".

Keep in mind, I am not religious, more like agnostic. I don't know what to believe.

 

There are more DIFFERENT denominations (different interpretations) of Christianity than there are VERSES in the Bible. Look it up if you don't believe me.
Jesus/god would therefore be officially the worst communicators of all time.

 

God works in mysterious ways! We don't know WHY he wants us to kill all the gays like the Bible/Islamic texts say, but he just does, ok! So why would we question god!? Stop thinking for yourself!

 

So, you are going to wave the science magic wand and this will free the world? This is your game plan to beat birth rate and faith?

You seem to exclude human nature. I will also add this quest of yours is bizarre.