Protesters Against Cuba-U.S. Plan Gather In Miami

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/20/us-cuba-protesters-miami_n_6360038.html

I just don’t understand these people. Why are they protesting? What is wrong with relations between two countries getting better? Or do they want the Iraqi scenario instead? And how can the relations with US provoke the repressions?
Yes, it may seem that US is going to give money to the Cuban government, not to the people. But you’ve got to start somewhere. And being friends with the government is a good start. Much better than sabotaging it. When you are friends with some government and give money to it, it’s a leverage to influence the decisions it makes. And if US government does want to help the people of Cuba, that’s one of the civilized ways to do it.
So why are those people protesting?

 

Some people oppose a government that throws people in jail for protesting the action of the government. Or throws people in jail for voicing disagreement with the government.

http://www.hrw.org/world-report/2014/country-chapters/cuba?page=1

 

who are those people? certainly no one in the USA.

 

In Miami, older generation of Cuban exiles are Castro haters. They are getting old, but their emotions and memories are still fresh. New generation of Cuban origin emigrants do not share their bitterness. These people are just dinosaurs, loosing their influence. Americans are ready to sell coca cola and other American manufactured foods and merchandise to Cubans and start polluting Cuban pristine beaches.

 

I can't see how improving relations with Cuba will hurt either country. Some people just need to keep the fight alive.

 

If you consider Cuban-Americans who live here as no one then you are correct. Protesting the actions of a government where they have family members, relatives and many friends because they can't raise a voice of disagreement with that government is akin to no one, I guess, so be it.

A lot of those protesting in Miami and elsewhere lived under that Castro Regime, yet they are no one. They protest because those in Cuba cannot without the risk of jail and death, yet they are no one.

 

the older Cuban expats in Miami lived and prospered under Batista. Those expats don't care at all about democracy, if you think they do you are naïve. they are the ones that own and sell fake Chinese crap at all those massive flea markets in Miami. when they start demonstrating about life in China or Iran than I will believe the. While they sell Chinese crap and complain about castro they just look like hypocrites.

 

Opening relations with Cuba with Cuba making none of the concessions we've codified into law as a requirement for that, such as free elections, freedom of speech & religion, and release of all political prisoners, means that Cuba has won. By opening relations with Cuba when they've done none of those things, we've legitimized their positions on not having free elections, limitations of free speech and hanging on to their political prisoners.

I don't know what leverage you expect us to have since they have not budged a bit in over 50 years.

 

not true at all, it just means we enter the real world.

 

The protesters are pissed because they are losing their last bit of political relevance.

 

Perhaps they are protesting the end of a tired and pointless policy that has seemingly done nothing against a country that no longer poses any sort of danger to us.

To paraphrase the, amongst other things, poet Robert Bly, some folks just don't know they are alive unless they have something to hate or be angry about.

 

the irony is there is oil off cuba and currently cuba is selling the rights to china. expat opposition to normalizing relations will hurt the US.

 

I would like to take this time and opportunity to thank the Right, for conceding that they have no Faith in Capitalism and must believe capitalism to be useless, in this case.

 

Im not sure what you mean by this. Cuba already trades with every other country in the world besides the US. The people are all dirt poor because that is what happens in Socialist and Communist countries every time. The only thing thats really going to help them is getting rid of Castro.

 

you need to do some fact checking before you come on here and look all ignorant

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Are you saying Cubans arent dirt poor, or are you saying that there are other countries besides the US that refuse to trade with Cuba?

 

I am saying the US currently has done a great deal of trade with Cuba.
http://www.directorio.org/mediacoverage/note.php?note_id=1422

 

I am referring to the right in the US. We have a Commerce Clause not any form of embargo clause. I would like to take this time and opportunity to thank the Right, for conceding that they have no Faith in Capitalism and must believe capitalism to be useless, in this case.

Why is the right protesting more Capitalism while complaining about Socialism?

 

I dont think the right is showing a lack of faith in capitalism, some on the right dont think we should do anything to help the Castro regime.
Personally I dont think the embargo has done any good, and have no problem with ending it, but Im not sure how much the people of Cuba will actually benefit from anything until Castro is out.
As far as complaining about socialism, I have no beef with that, socialism never works.

 

Are you on the right? An embargo is a form of Prohibition and that form of Socialism, not Capitalism and voluntary and mutually beneficial Trade.

 

Most of the Cuban's that came to the US, lost property, lost savings, lost whatever job they had. This holds true for tens of thousands of people who had investments in Cuba, such as the "King Ranch" and hundreds of other agriculture or business ventures....all wanting some form of restitution. Obama to simply ignore this, basically saying he want's (won't happen) normal relations is simply not going to happen. He probably thinks those folks are all dead, their families don't care or maybe he thinks he is sticking it to a certain segment of American's, but in any event and according to both Castro's, Cuba will remain Communist....

 

So did Esso? So what? Cuba can't pay reparations.

So what if they remain Communist? Who are we to dictate their form of government?

And why in God's name would Cubans in Miami want to continue the embargo? Do they just want to punish the Cuban people?

 

They could agree to give the property back to the original owners, including those that stayed. King Ranch would get 40K Ac. and employ 5,000 people, although today it's a Corporation.

Communism, portends certain policy...I doubt Obama will be planning on a home in Communist Cuba.

Cuban's living here now (surely you know some) would not accept a communist Cuba.

This said, wouldn't normal relations infer an "Embassy", in turn access to Visa's? Those being "punished" could/would be on the next flight out....

 

Watch the PBS broadcast Firestone and the Warlord... Most US corporations exploited the people and the natural resources..

China and Vietnam are Communist... Are we punishing them because we don't like their form of government.. Sometimes Americans can be so thick and arrogant.

 

Why of course, PBS, Obama and most liberal advocates, are stuck in the 17th Century Imperialism World. The real world of today has advanced that theory to benefit peoples of most every country on the planet, advancing technology/living standards, beyond their peoples minds. Please think, all those that died/wounded to get here, all the War's of the 20th Century to help other nations and the US has not taken one square foot of another's land.

China and Vietnamese societies would gladly accept more freedom, however China does have a Constitution and a legal system and yes, can shop at Walmart, drive a new GM/Ford built in China. Cuban's monthly income, is less than 30 US$.