Should Israel be dismantled?

Discussion in 'Middle East' started by Ronstar, Jan 1, 2015.

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Dismantle Israel?

  1. Yes, turn them into a secular state.

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  2. Let them destroy themselves.

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  3. Let them Arab states free Palestine.

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    22.2%
  1. MrSunday

    MrSunday Banned

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    MOD EDIT - Rule 3

    The main issue is Israel will no longer exist if it continues to behave the way it does. That is what America and its allies have been trying to tell Israel. You know what. Go ahead. Let Israel behave like a complete fool and watch it get destroyed.

    One less nut of a country to worry about it.
     
  2. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    surely you jest. :eyepopping:

    Israel has criminalized lots of unwanted political speech.

    funny how you attack Britain but call them "anti-Semitic" when they criticize israel.
     
  3. Marlowe

    Marlowe New Member

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    Yes , a few murderous Jewish terrorists were hung by British mandate administration. Its a pity many more ZioNazi criminals escaped punishment

    btw - don't forget British gave you the ENGLISH language .
    By which other means would you be able to carry on blabbering on this forum. ?

    English is now the most widely spoken language around the world, and the official language of science, computering, aviation and diplomacy, among others.

    :View Poll Results: What is/are Britain's greatest contribution(s) to the world ?

    http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/18036-Greatest-British-contribution-to-the-world


    In 2001, Daniel Bernard came to public attention when, as French Ambassador to the United Kingdom, he was quoted as saying: "All the current troubles in the world are because of that Shiddy little country Israel." The diplomat added, "Why should the world be in danger of World War III because of those people?"

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    btw - Let's not t forget that your little Zionist state is a scrounger / a parasitic leech , being kept afloat at the expense of US Taxpayers


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  4. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    would you accept the USA calling itself "the Christian Republic"?
     
  5. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Israel outlaws "hate speech" and speech that supports illegal organizations.

    Holocaust denial is illegal in Israel.

    Israeli govt. approves all journalists working in Israel, and can deny certification for purely political reasons.

    Israel has banned the use of the word "Nakba" in school textbooks.

    The Israeli military has the power to censor articles that deal with oil and the water supply.

    ......looks like Israel doesn't understand what "freedom of speech" means.
     
  6. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would not as we are not

    "United States of America" works for me

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  7. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    then why is it ok for Israel to DEMAND that Palestine recognize them as a Jewish State, or there can be no peace plan?
     
  8. Oxymoron

    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    Wow talk about loaded question, and a unbalanced poll.
    Dismantle Israel? How about we dismantle Czech republic and give it back to the Germans, since this so called country is nothing more then French and British drawing lines on a map.

    As far as a Jewish state, being Jewish is not solely a religion. It is an ethnic group. It is no different then saying Germany is a German country. Would you prefer Israel be called Jewistan, or Hebrewland?
     
  9. jackson33

    jackson33 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If for any reason, the US fails to support and defend Israel, there would be no stopping Islamic Terrorism, period, not just "over there", but around the world. Frankly, they are the primary source for intelligence, for most the world and their covert actions have prevented more acts of terror, or major destruction than most realize. IMO, the current US policies toward Israel and our reluctance to SHOW support, has made their efforts less effective or simply they are being told what they can do, to maintain ANY support. It's all about being politically correct, brought on by some notion that aggression no longer exist simply because "it's the 21st Century".
     
  10. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    wasn;t that my point, that naming their country a religious name was not the best move if they wanted peace
     
  11. Oxymoron

    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    Jewish is an ethinic and or a religious term.... people get a clue
     
  12. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the Czech Republic isn't occupying territory, stealing land, and treating people under its rule as second-class citizens
     
  13. Oxymoron

    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    You stole land from the Germans, and treated them like second class citizens. Remember the sudenland? Based on your logic, the Germans had everyright to take back their lost land. You are an evil occupier!
     
  14. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no land was stolen from Germany by the Czech Republic, stop trolling.
     
  15. Oxymoron

    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    I dont remember seeing Czech republic on the map prior to End of WW1, when France and England forced the Austro/Hungarian State to disintegrate, and founded the Czechoslavakia by drawing lines on a map, and effectively forcing Germans under Czech/Slovak rule. Stealing land that was German, return the stolen land occupier.
     
  16. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    land isn't stolen if you sign a peace treaty recognizing the exchange of territory.

    now stop trolling
     
  17. Oxymoron

    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    Kind of Like when the UN takes former Turkish Imperial holdings, and designating independent countries in their stead.Part of which includes a UN mandate allowing Jewish people to have back their ancestral land that was taken from them. I think your right, Czech republic did nothing wrong and should enjoy her independence, a little like Israel does ;). Thanks for helping me out bro.
     
  18. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yes, the Jews have a legal right to Israel, and the world community recognizes this, as Israel is a member of the UN.

    But the UN and the world community does not recognize Israel's conquest of the West Bank nor their annexation of East Jerusalem.
     
  19. Oxymoron

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    So why would you want to dismantle Israel? Yes the territories Israel holds that were won in 1967 should be given back, but only under after the palestinians recognize Israels right to exist. The occupation has to continue, since the Arabs have not given up their goals of forcing Israel into the Meditereanean sea. Once Egypt and Israel made a lasting peace the Sinai was returned to Egypt. Unfortunately Syria never made that peace, nor did the Palestinian authority. Unless that happens Israel cannot just leave the Golan and West Bank, nor can it lift its sanctions and embargo on Gaza. Not until a lasting peace can be accomodated. Any sane country would do the same.
     
  20. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Palestine offered to recognize Israel's right to exist, but then last year Israel moved the goalposts.

    Not only did they want Palestine to recognize the State of Israel and their right to exist, but they decided that Palestine must also recognize Israel as "the Jewish State", otherwise there would be no deal.
     
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    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    Well who moved what goal posts and when is a seperate thread. Many times Palestinians refused to go ahead over minor disagreements as well, moving the so called goal posts. Both sides are not very engaged, nor have much interests in changing status quo. That is very disheartening.

    As far as a Jewish state, being a Jewish state (Not in the religios sense) is no different then Poland republic being a Polish state. Nothing prevents Arabs from living in Israel, many many do, it only protects the identity of the country. If Israel takes the Jewish part out, then it will simply become and Islamic Arab state with a Jewish minority.
     
  22. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    sorry, but Palestinans are very concerned that officially recognizing Israel as a "Jewish" state puts their sizeable non-Jewish minority at risk for discriminatory rules & regulations.

    they've obviously seen what happens in Islamic republics, like Iran and Pakistan.
     
  23. HBendor

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    Why not???????????? Read what the others are calling themselves:

    ARAB Republic of Egypt
    ISLAMIC State of Iraq
    Saudi Arabia = Al Mamlakah al Arabiyah = ARAB
    Yemen ARAB Republic
    Syria ARAB Republic
    UAE United ARAB Republic
    Libyian ARAB Republic
    ISLAMIC Republic of Iran
    ISLAMIC Republic of Afghanistan
    ISLAMIC Republic of Pakistan
    ISLAMIC Fed.Republic of Mauritania
    and others.

    You should have done your homework... but at least you have learned something today!
     
  24. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Israel is supposed to be a western-style democracy that respects and gives full rights to all citizens, including non-Jews.

    labeling it a "Jewish state" puts the rights of non-Jews into question.

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    I would be very concerned if Ireland declared itself a Catholic Republic, or Britain declared itself a Christian Monarchy.
     
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    I am responding to your condescending little note.

    The right of non Jews is sacred in Israel... It is the terrorists that we are trying to dismantle from our ancient Land.

    As far as Ireland and the UK are concerned, they are not in our neighborhood.
    Jordan (our Peace partner) and Saudi Arabia do not allow Jews to walk on their sacred ground... Of course Kissinger was an exception.
     

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