If you want to tick off Muslims, don't expect my sympathy.

If you know how Muslims have responded in the past to mocking their faith, why should I care if a magazine decides to stick their hands in the hornet's nest and get stung for it ?

It's the same thing as when Americans travel to Iran or North Korea and get abducted.

These magazines hide behind free speech but where are the covers mocking Christianity ? If you're constantly going to poke fun at a religion which is prone to extremists, don't expect me to feel bad if you willingly put yourselves in a bad situation.

I AM NOT CONDONING THE ATTACK.

I am condemning these rags magazines who purposefully try to enrage a very sensitive and violent population and then expect the world's sympathy and kuddos.

It's not like this staff was writing a groundbreaking piece. It was a purely mocking cover.

 

Then take John Stewart and the other dude from HBO with you on your quest. Hide behind free speech? No sir, I will stand in front of free speech and protect it.

 

No, but you're excusing them.

 

Whatever happened to just using common sense ? What gain is made by infuriating Muslim radicals ?

This magazine is like the drunk feminists who believe they should have the right to wear whatever they want and get drunk out of their minds and then demand we not criticize them for their bad choices.

 

You do not seem to understand that it does not take a cartoon to infuriate Islamic radicals, all it takes is not being Islamic.

 

Whatever happened to people taking a stand against intimidation?

Guess you missed that train.

 

There have been thousands of articles written about the dangers and immorality of radical Islam. But the illustrations aren't informative, they are inflammatory.

 

Well, for good or for worse, the Occidental society, at all times, always mocked the authorities into place. Far from being an object of destabilization, this process allowed for venting out some frustrations and laugh about them for a second, instead of letting it busting out of the blue one day.

Chalie Hebdo mocked Muslims, Christians and even Jews. In that sense they were fair and consistant. But most of all, it was humor, and humor is an important cultural part of our civilisation. The Muslims who migrate here should know this: Don't they quit their original countries for something different? well, this is part of the difference. When in Rome...

Je suis Charlie.

 

I support the right of free speech, but there are legit consequence when you play chicken with the Muslim world. It's like this - newspapers have the legal right to publish the names of rape victims, but they don't. Why can't we hold magazines to this standard when it comes to unnecessary mocking of faiths ?

 

In the Western world we used to be taught, 'sticks and stones my break our bones but words will never hurt us'. Now you suggest giving up Western beliefs to placate a crazy enemy that believes that words should get you killed. Not a very smart stand to take in my opinion.

 

That's stupid.

It's called satire. Of course it's mockery! Satire is mockery.

WTF - you gonna kill someone just 'cause you don't like their sense of humor?

I'm tellin' ya, Muslim men are the single most insecure life form on this planet. If they were men they'd let their ideas win in the court of public opinion, and they wouldn't try to coerce the outcome like some pouty four-year-old.

Hey man, politics is not for the thin skinned. If the best you got is violence and terrorism, you're gonna get squashed like the bug you are.

 

The fundamental right of free speech trumps your feelings.

 

Then would you applaud a newspaper for reporting the name of a rape victim ?

 

I get that, but in terms of mockery, these editors must have realized that mocking Islam in a country that is nearing 20% Muslim was not the path of least resistance.

 

"Those who comment through satire are peculiarly bold, more so than those who deploy argument. Ridicule is the most devastating and wounding of weapons. It reaches parts of the political and personal psyche that reason cannot touch. It is one of democracy’s most effective weapons, and the price those who wield it have to pay is sometimes as high as any other."

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...reedom-fear-terrorists-massacre-war?CMP=fb_gu

There is a reason Muslim terrorists freak out when people print these kinds of things and it's because it is damaging to their dogmatic perspective. Every mind persuaded to think about the faith differently is another mind lost to them and another victory for reason.

 

That's what i say... when you have to resort to sheer vulgarity
to sell your magazine... it means you are out of ideas. There is a comicity where you do not need to be vulgar and showing obscenous acts, but not many people have enough culture to do brilliant comicity...

 

These editors were gutsy for publishing what they did, but what gain was made ? Just because we have free speech doesn't mean we have to say everything and anything.

 

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Martin Neimoller

A bunch of religious nutters believe they should be able to dictate what anybody says about their imagined hero, anywhere in the world. Their silly imagined gods law trumps your countries law. Are you fine with that Channe?

 

You lure them out into the open so you can exterminate the jackasses?

 

What's the point of free speech if you're only free to speak in ways that don't offend murderous dirtbags?

Maybe that ought to be the test of being allowed to move from the third world to the West. Make them sit through a slideshow of images from the magazine. If they jump up foaming at the mouth with daggers flashing, send them back.

Free speech über alles, baby! Especially über Allah! Free Speech Ackbar!

 

you aren't American or french are you?

 

I agree about free speech, but this illustration was intentionally drawn to provoke. When was the last time Muslim radicals were lead by logic and morality ? NEVER. If there was some gain had in publishing these types of covers, I could see a point in it, but what's the benefit ?

 

It is simple, who do you want to decide what you can and cannot say?

 

I am an American who believes in free speech. I also believe magazines need to use common sense. The Muslim population of France is massive and I don't see what was gained by that illustration.

 

Who says we want your sympathy anyway?

It would be nice if you didn't cower trembling under your bed when a murderous pack of jackals and hyenas attempts to take over the area with a campaign of intimidation and extortion. Sure, that would help. But sympathy? Your sympathy and $7.95 might get me a latte at starbucks, but not much else.

Look, this is a war. It has been declared. By whom and when is a disputed matter. But it is a war, and defectors are a real problem. Don't need to be wasting ammunition, you know.