If you want to tick off Muslims, don't expect my sympathy.

I didn't say that the abortion doctor needs to be mocked. The discussion is about Mohammed being mocked. He needs to be mocked, just like Moses, Jesus, and Joseph Smith should have been mocked for their delusions.

 

You're still using false equivalence. Women don't wear suggestive clothing to provoke rapists, and said fashion would exist without rapists. An illustration mocking a religious figure wouldn't exist if it weren't offensive.

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Diversions suck. If an abortion doctor deserves mocking for pissing on a cross, why doesn't an illustrator deserve mocking for similar inflammatory action?

 

Making fun of what people hold sacred is not funny. I wouldn't travel to the mountains of Tibet, ask the locals what people, things, or concepts do they hold sacred, and then proceed to mock those. How is that not evil?

 

It depends are the things they hold sacred are themselves evil? If the answer is yes then mocking is the least they deserve.

 

What if they decided that gays tick them off and opened fire on a gay bar? Would you blame the gays?

 

as we see fit WITHIN THE LAWS OF SOCIETY.... I agree.


unpopular speech deserves the most protections. I don't agree with WBC, or the kkk, but so long as they stay within the law.... they can free speech away.


same with satire drawings..... I may or may not appreciate them, or agree with them, or like them.... but that doesn't mean I get to demand they stop.



Funny how the whitehouse is silent for this

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarne...-to-denounce-(*)(*)(*)(*)-christ-artwork.html

but denounces making fun of
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/20/w...publishes-cartoons-mocking-muhammad.html?_r=0

IMO.... the white house should have rebuked or denounced NEITHER.

 

yeah, maybe gays should use common sense and not have gay sex when they know Muslims believe that they should be punished by death.... I'm sure Channe has no sympathy for any gays killed by muslims because when they have gay sex, they are simply poking a bear with a stick....


Channes hypocritical way of thinking only applies when it supports his line of thinking.... and should not be applied evenly to all groups...

 

That's what happens when people believe in ethnocentric Middle Eastern religions. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all relied on murder and terrorism to convert and keep people chained to their delusions. Judaism and Christianity have slacked off on the murder and terrorism tactics but Christianity still uses fear as an effective hammer. Islam follows the Moses playbook of murder and terrorism. Everything that the muslims fanatics do is found in the Old Testament. And the Old Testament says that those things were good because they pleased God. That's why people excuse and bend over backwards to apologize for Islam. If they condemn it they would have to condemn their own favorite religions as well because they have the same roots of murder and terrorism.

 

EPV, lets stick to what is the topic and not muddy the water with unnecessary messy kid stuff.

Why the Op was compelled to say "world sympathy" is beyond me, I doubt anyone asked for sympathy let alone his.

Why the Op chose the words "Don't expect me to feel bad" is also beyond me. Who asked him to feel bad?

It was rather a long winded opinion to say the guy is a jerk. Maybe he is a jerk, so what?

This is a freedom of speech issue, end of story. Either you are for speech, against speech or want limited speech. The consequence of speech is on you.

 

It just shows what kind of wimps and doormats people like him are. They would have the West walking on eggshells around Muslims afraid what the next thing would be that would tick them off. Blaming the victim is the strategy of the coward.

 

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Steve Burg: I'm thinking of Jonah, God sent Jonah on a mission.

Bill Maher: When did the part of the story come when Jonah lived in the whale?

Steve Burg: It was a great fish.

Bill Maher: It's one of my favorite nonsense stories, Jonah living inside of the whale. And their answer unfailingly is "The Bible doesn't say whale, It says big fish". Oh, yeah, big fish, that makes... I'm sorry I was obsessing on that it was a whale, It's a big fish. Of course you could live for three days in a big fish, A tuna, a tuna, They do it all the time in Japan, They have tuna spas. You go for three days, They pamper you, oils, You come out of that tuna feeling fantastic. You smell like (*)(*)(*)(*)(*), but you feel fantastic.

Bill Maher: This man lived inside of a fish for three days?

Steve Burg: Miraculously, yes.

Bill Maher: Steve, Steve, Steve.

Steve Burg: You don't believe in miracles, That doesn't mean they don't exist.

Bill Maher: Of course not! I'm not 10! He didn't lived in a fish, Come on.

Bill Maher: Your bar on miracles is pretty low, I gotta tell you, bro.

Steve Burg: Well, whatever.
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do you apply that same logic to those who make fun of Christianity, or just Muslims.


Personally, I don't agree with Bill Maher... but I will NEVER say he isn't allowed to say the things he does and I would feel sympathy for him and his family if some nut job offs him because he got offended by satire.

 

I rephrase, mocking for the sake of mocking is inherently evil.

 

so is Bill Maher evil... He mocks Christians. or do you, like Channe, only worry about apologizing for Muslims

 

That appears to be mocking for the sake of mocking, which yes, I think is evil. If Maher was a citizen of the ME, and Christian extremism was on the rise to the point of global conflict with the ME, he would not be serving his country's interests by such purposeless mocking. He would be serving the interests of his enemy.

 

You know what I think? (*)(*)(*)(*) THEIR FEELINGS. In the West, we deal with differences of opinion without violence. Everyone has the right to say what they will about someone else's ideas and beliefs. If Muslims react violently, the problem is THEM, not US. It does nothing but show they cannot live peacefully with Western values.

And you know what, they should mock Islam. Islam is a ridiculous superstition based on a violence-promoting book written by someone who is obviously schizophrenic. It promotes archaic social laws written thousands of years ago that are not acceptable in modernity. It rejects science in favour of the supernatural. It encourages dictatorial, monarchic theocracy and oppression of everyone who isn't a Muslim male. It promotes slavery, child abuse, rape, murder, torture, and all manner of other despicable things. Anyone who thinks this ideology as outlined in its holy texts is moral and worthy of being followed is not only delusional but morally abhorant and shouldn't command the least amount of respect.

I'm sick of religion getting respect and being protected from things that it finds offensive just because people are so emotionally attached to it.

 

They're nothing alike.

 

We all commit evil acts; it doesn't necessarily make you evil. But given the context of today's world, and recognizing war as the ultimate evil, it would be irresponsible to do and say things that tilt the world toward the direction of war, for the sake of proving "I can do what I want!"

 

The same reason behind virtually all editorial cartoons....political commentary.

 

And I would say that prior to the hells of WWII, if temporarily walking on eggshells in our rhetoric toward the Germans or Japanese would have prevented that hell, we should have done it. You can say what you want, but words have consequences, and they always have. To ignore those consequences to prove something we all already know (that you have freedom of speech) is irresponsible imo.

 

By finding a way to somehow excuse their act of violence.

 

The 2 policemen shot and killed did not publish the cartoons.

How does the OP condone those murders?

 

Well dangit, they should know better than to be cops and (*)(*)(*)(*) off Muslims!

 

I don't blame the cops or the magazine. The fault is the terrorists. But the magazine should have been more careful and responsible.

 

The police officer responding to the scene who arrived on the push bike was not armed. He was gunned down and shot in the head, executed.

We now know he was a Muslim.

How do you condone that?

 

If the gays intentionally made a cover like this. I would say they were stirring the hornets best.

And I am not blaming the magazine for the attack. I'm blaming them for thinking Muslim radicals are reasonable.