Palestinian terrorism in Tel-Aviv ( 20 Israeli citizens are wounded )

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    International law states that after a war, displaced persons have the right of return. Israel has no right to steal the property of these individuals or to deny their right of return.


    Just in general, this idea of yours that if you steal from me then I have the right to steal from all members of your religion is just too stupid for words. So, this is just one more place where Israel is behaving in both an illegal and immoral way.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    this is 100% false.
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    According to the Mandate:
    Source: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/palmanda.asp

    Therefore, "Palestine" was regarded the Jewish home land.
     
  4. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. Plus, in a number of locations the Wall runs up river valleys, capturing water and arable land, ignoring the high ground all around.

    Then, they want to pitch that as a security improvement!!
     
  5. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    according to the Mandate:

    "it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non(*)Jewish communities in Palestine"

    "No discrimination of any kind shall be made between the inhabitants of Palestine on the ground of race, religion or language. No person shall be excluded from Palestine on the sole ground of his religious belief. "

    "The Administration of Palestine may organist on a voluntary basis the forces necessary for the preservation of peace and order, and also for the defence of the country, subject, however, to the supervision of the Mandatory, but shall not use them for purposes other than those above specified save with the consent of the Mandatory. Except for such purposes, no military, naval or air forces shall be raised or maintained by the Administration of Palestine. "

    "In the event of the termination of the mandate hereby conferred upon the Mandatory, the Council of the League of Nations shall make such arrangements as may be deemed necessary for safeguarding in perpetuity, under guarantee of the League, the rights secured by Articles 13 and 14, and shall use its influence for securing, under the guarantee of the League, that the Government of Palestine will fully honour the financial obligations legitimately incurred by the Administration of Palestine during the period of the mandate, including the rights of public servants to pensions or gratuities.




    Israel has violated every one of these articles of the Mandate.
     
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    WE already talked about that. You are forcing me to repeat myself:
    Arabic is the second language in Israel, thus, Israel doesnt violate it.
    About the religion I already wrote you.
    Threre is no races in the world. But still it deosnt happen! Arabs are citizens as Jews.

    Israel has forces that secure peace and order when it needs to be secured outside and inside Israel.

    When someone is hurting the holy places then Israel is taking measures to secure them.
     
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    Palestine | Wikipedia.org
     
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    sorry buddy, but the Mandate was terminated.
     
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    Israel has nothing to lose here.
    The longer they wait, the more the propaganda and terrorism already started by these people will become.
    Gaza has VOTED 90% for the extermination of Jews, in general, and Israel in particular

    Iran once agreed to side with the Palestinian view and accept a two state solution.
    But today, Iran has said even if the Palestinians agree to peace, Iran will still eradicate Israel.

    They want Force so give it to them max.
     
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    And hundreds of Israeli and international generals and military experts disagree with the opinion of one obscure historian since ballistic missiles is just one of a multitude of various military/terror threats Israel is faced with....Oh and my condolences on the death of your beloved ruler.
     
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    Article 80 doesnt keep a Mandate valid, its keeps the RIGHTS of a Mandate valid.

    but only until a Mandate is terminated.

    "1.Except as may be agreed upon in individual trusteeship agreements, made under Articles 77, 79, and 81, placing each territory under the trusteeship system, and until such agreements have been concluded, nothing in this Chapter shall be construed in or of itself to alter in any manner the rights whatsoever of any states or any peoples or the terms of existing international instruments to which Members of the United Nations may respectively be parties.

    Palestine Mandate was concluded in 1948.

    sorry buddy. :)
     
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    Iran has NEVER threatened to eradicate Israel.......... They have said that Zionism will pass from history as Nazism did.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Actually most agree with Creveld.. and despise Bibi. Certainly Mossad intelligence is opposed to Bibi.. Can't Israel do any better than him?
     
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    The Jews bought, and were titled by deeds recorded in Turkey, all the lands called Israel in 1948.

    The Palestinians gathered Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, etal, together and attacked to take the Jewish lands by force.
    They lost.

    Now they cry baby because they lost the lands they fled.
    Too bad for the sore losers.
     
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    Oh, so you think these HAMAS people who are still trying to win a war they lost should be asked to move in next door to the people they tried to kill and still teach in their schools to kill Jews??


    What Law says that the enemy can just move right back like they never tried to kill your people??
     
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    I think you have a point here. Problems can often only be solved with force.
     
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    It is often amazing how little some supporters of Israel know about Zionism. They don't even take the time to read the most basic of sources like Wikipedia.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

    Theodor Herzl (May 2, 1860 – July 3, 1904), considered the Father of Zionism, proposed that the European Jews immigrate to "Canaan" (Palestine) and force the existing population out so that a Jewish national state could be established. The goal has always been the eviction of the Arabs from all of "Canaan" (Palestine) and every action by the (former) European Jewish immgrants has been directed towards that end. This is based upon the Hebrew Biblical stories the Hebrews invaded the Land of Canaan and through military conquest, including genocide, the Canaanites were forced from their land and Eretz Israel was established.

    Just like the Jews of the 20th Century they were foreigners that displaced the original people from their homeland to establish a nation.

    The goal of Zionism has always been the complete take-over or all of Palestine (Canaan) as a form of re-enactment of the Hebrew Biblical conquest of Canaan. There has been no wavering in this goal which is why the Zionists of Israel don't want a peace with the Palestinians because peace would end their aspirations of eventually securing all of Palestine as that State of Israel.
     
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    "Ballistic missiles"! I never heard fireworks called that before.
     
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    Rockette Morton was a guitarist for the Magic Band on Captain Beefheart's 1969 masterpiece Trout Mask Replica. His name always comes to my mind when I think of the Palestinian resistance. I can't think why.
     
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    No.. In the Spring of 1948 they had bought less than 6% of the land.. Its just another old lie that has been dispensed with over and over again.. Israel was founded in blood and lies like .. a land without people for a people without land.. when they knew darn well that the Palestinians had lived there and worked the land for 2000 years. Who do you think planted all those ancient olive trees? Who do you think maintained the Roman irrigation systems and farmed the terraces the Romans built.. As a Christian you certainly should care about falsehoods.
     
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    Attempted murder is a chargeable offense.

    Collective punishment, denying displaced peoples the right of return, and ethnic cleansing are against international law.

    In general, when you steal someones land, use military force to change their government, blockade them until they starve, or commit other acts of war on a people you will find that they will resist - including with what military capability they have.

    West Bank is a startling example to the contrary - a nation occupied for decades where property is regularly stolen by the occupiers and people are under foreign military law without representation, yet the IDF sees the leader of this occupied nation as their chief ALLY IN PEACE!

    Gaza has been under active deadly attack by Israel for 8 years running, and is again not taking any action on the cease fire agreement, strengthened the choking blockade, denied fishing rights, cut off power and fuel prevented exports(!) and is now confiscating taxes. Yet, you seem to think they shouldn't take part in that war. I don't really know where you get that. It seems illogical to me. When Israel carries out war for 8 years against tiny Gaza, it seems legitimate and expectable that those who are attacked would respond, even if they are poorly armed.

    How long will Israel continue this preposterous, inhumane, and illegal war?
     
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    exactly what I was saying to Margot, her absurd claim was based on the assumption that ballistic missiles is the only threat Israel is faced with. Well, par for the course, Israel haters do typically have no idea what they are talking about ;)
     
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    Meh, we elect people that get to kill people all over the place "legally". It's magical.
     
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    The state of Israel has nothing to do with the Mandate. And still it's destroying your and everyone elses's claim that the West Bank is occupied.
     
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    funny how you think you're smarter and more knowledgable about international law, than the United Nations Security Council, the International Court of Justice, and the Israeli Supreme Court.

    where did you get your law degree? Harvard? Oxford?
     
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