Another mass execution of Egyptian Christians by ISIS is feared

This situation may get a great deal worse before it gets better. I hope the Arab world won't tear each other to pieces while they should be fighting ISIS.


Another mass execution of Egyptian Christians by ISIS is feared to be imminent after Islamists are said to have rounded up 'dozens more' in retaliation for air strikes
ISIS and Ansar Al-Sharia 'have kidnapped at least 35 farm workers in Libya'
Comes as Egypt blitzes ISIS targets for beheading 21 Christians on beach
Terror group is exploiting chaos in Libya to gain a foothold in new region

By Simon Tomlinson for MailOnline

Published: 05:14 EST, 17 February 2015 | Updated: 09:35 EST, 17 February 2015


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Obama foreign policy failures continue to mount. Where was the outcry from the lib media about the security of the nation after Gaddafi like they cried after Bush got rid of Saddam. So we spent thousands of lives securing Iraq, only to have the muslim in Chief hand it over to his buddies in ISIL, and then he did the same in Libya. See a pattern here?

 

You do know Bush signed the SOFA mandating our withdrawal from Iraq yes?

 

Quit blaming Bush for Obama's foreign policy failures.

 

Iraq never was secure... We couldn't even secure the highway between the airport and Baghdad.

 

It is a fact: Bush ordered our withdrawal from Iraq. Period.

You can't blame Obama for the withdrawal from Iraq.

 

Withdrawl dates are not set in stone, it is an estimate for when things should be good enough to leave. They are ALWAYS subject to change if the situation warrants it.

Do you know that we had an invasion date set for the Nation of Japan? Are you suggesting we should have invaded them anyways, even though the war was over, just because a date was set?

Obama has the ability to change any >>>MOD EDIT Filter Bypass Removed<<< date he wants if it is the wrong time to pull troops out.

 

Obama declared the operation in Iraq to be a success. He took over, took charge and declared victory. Are you saying he lied or that didn't know what he was talking about? The liberals on this forum were certainly touting it as Obama's success. Now we are expected to forget about all that and go back to blaming Bush? If Iraq were flourishing now, it is an absolute certainty that the liberals here would be continuing to attribute that success to Obama.

 

Bush had already installed Maliki and was tutoring him via Skype... Would you have Obama take back Iraq's new sovereignty?

 

They were not able to keep their sovereignty so we should have stayed until they were ready.

 

They already had their sovereignty thanks to Bush..............

 

From where I'm standing, it looks like everyone would have been better off had we not pulled out when we did.

 

No they did not.

Sovereignty means that a state has the right and the power to govern itself apart from any outside influences. Iraq certainly did not have the power to ensure that and we saw this as soon as we left and Iraq quickly got taken over for all intents and purposes.

 

No. The only pattern I see is the parochial right doing its usual.

The United States did not invade Lybia, it did not incite the revolution that broke out there, and it did not occupy the country and install a government there. So there is no basis for comparison between Lybia and Iraq.

There is no evidence that the President has "buddies in ISIL", and Iraq was never ours to "hand over" to anyone.

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They had the power before we started a war there. Sadaam knew exactly how to handle people like ISIS. You would have never heard of them if he was still around.

 

Not sure how you figure that. al-Qaeda was all over the place when Saddam was in power. Don't you remember the Cole bombing or the Embassy bombings?

And it has been proven that al-Qaeda had bases in Northern Iraq, Kurd territory, and that there were some meetings between top Iraq officials and al-Qaeda. It has not been established that there was any working relationship and even though it is suspected that Saddam did not trust Bin Laden and that Bin Laden was angry over Saddam's invasion of Kuwait, that there was any active fighting between them.

Basically it looks like they were leaving each other alone.

 

It was continually improving, and at the end of the decade violence was at its nadir. The heavy lifting was done.

Even Obama said it was stable enough to bug out.

Sadly, it was stable enough to start a Marshall plan and fix the new Iraq in place. We'd been there almost 10 years, enough time for a generation of kids to come off age, that was the key giving the next generation time to grow into a democratic system, to become the change, live free. These past squandered 5 years, had we remained investing in Iraq's future, would have seen continued improvement and allowed a generation to grow into adulthood understanding the value of this improvements. A generation that would fight against radical change backward. Instead we, by our total withdraw, have them the exact opposite.

Shame, shame, we let down a new generation of Iraqi people, dashed their dreams of a better life. I still think of the image of the lady in Anbar, inked badge of courage, her proof of voting, held high. I wonder what price she paid for our failure, I don't dare. I don't dare.

Obama let these dreamers die, knowing in advance their fate.

Shame, the opportunity was in hand, Obama could have written a new future for the region, he could have done so much. But it wasn't to be, he kicked them back to the dark ages.

Cheers
Labour

 

Agreed.. .Obama and his team is a failure...

[video=youtube;tLteUGkvpOc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLteUGkvpOc[/video]

Since Obama never showed us his academic records, a lot of people are saying he succeeded with the help of affirmative action. I am beginning to believe that.....

 

Maliki was in control or rather in charge for months and the violence really didn't let up... The problem was that he was an unknown and the only guy available... He spent most of his life in Iran and had no intention of an inclusive state. He was strictly Shia... Bush installed him by default.

 

Obviously he was a bad choice, no argument there, but its also known that the Iraqi sovereignty was more fragile than an eggshell. It only existed while we were there to keep the bad guys at bay. They needed probably a good couple of years more to get up and running. Bush's original withdrawal date was extremely optimistic and needed to be changed, even the generals told us that.

 

Withdrawal dates were written in stone. US forces had to withdraw by a certain date or come under control of the SOFA which would have allowed the Iraqis to try US troops in Iraqi courts.

I guess you would have liked to see US troops in Iraqi prisons.

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Yes I am. He lied. Bush signed the SOFA mandating our withdrawal.

 

The USS Cole bombing was off the coast of Yemen .. Nowhere near Iraq.

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Of course it was fragile and arbitrary... just like Bush landing on the aircraft carrier and declaring victory years earlier.

 

If we can just get these folks jobs...........the beheadings would end . We need to send Walmart and McDonalds as our 'boots on the ground'.

 

I realize that, but the statement that there would be no terrorists groups in the Middle East if Saddam was still in power is ludicrous.

That was the announcement that major operations were over. Bush said many times that the rebuilding if Iraq would take years. Nice little liberal spin but everyone knows it is not accurate.

 

Does this sound like a "blame Bush" comment....take the credit and when it fails (Bush said this policy would fail) blame Bush!!!!

 

They just want the farm jobs, so they kill the 35 Farm Workers in Libya and there'll be 35 new job openings.