The Myth of the Southern Strategy

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  1. publican

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    So you're saying black democrats are too stupid to get ID's.
     
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    Are Republicans now siding with black communists?

    We know that the voter ID laws are exclusively about suppressing the vote and cases in Texas point to that fact.

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/texas-woman-threatened-jail-after-applying-voter-id

    There were an estimated 700,000 US citizens registered to vote in Texas (as I recall) that lost their right to vote because of the Texas voter ID law and of those only 279 had been able to obtain a Voter ID card at the time this story was written. As previously noted Texas has documentation indicating that an average of one person per election cycle might have committed voter impersonation at the polls. To prevent potentially one case of election fraud per election Texas disenfranchised 699,731 US citizens that were registered voters that were overwhelmingly black and Hispanic.
     
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    That was for the race pimp democrat's benefit, not the Republicans.

    Look up the word 'suppress'. It means to 'prevent'. Get an ID like everyone else and you can vote. No one is stopping you.
     
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    You mean WHERE there was ACTUAL VOTER FRAUD as opposed to MADE UP BS FROM THE GOP? lol
     
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    You don't like black people like Mandela?
     
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    Evasive? You made the false premise!

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    " A libertarian cannot be a conservative and any that promote conservativism are not libertarian. A libertarian is always dedicated to the "Liberty" of the person based upon their "natural (inalienable) rights" and that is a "progressive" political ideology. "

    Libertarians are FARRRRR right on the economic spectrum, IMHO

    All Property, indeed, except the Savage's temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions, absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of public Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity and the Uses of it. All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it. Ben Franklin
     
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    If you support South Africa's laws, how about their gun laws? Good enough for the US too? Ooops
     
  8. PatriotNews

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    The IRS scandal is still a scandal, and so is the rather embarrassing case of BJ Clinton.
     
  9. publican

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    I support the voter ID law, just like Nelson there. Maybe since he likes OUR laws, he should support our gun laws. You're turn.
     
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    no, i'm saying the stupid party is being dishonest and underhanded about voting suppression

    we've had years of 'voter suppression' discussions here, it's not about being too stupid to get id's

    it's about republicans counting on dmv office bureaucrats to put up barriers that withhold people's id's

    it's about making people pay for documents needed to obtain a photo-id, which is a financial barrier for some



    "One could spend hours going through the abundant evidence that these laws are meant to discourage Democratic voting with burdens that harm blacks, Latinos, and other disproportionately low-income groups. In 2011 an Associated Press analysis found that South Carolina’s proposed voter-identification law would hit black precincts the hardest, keeping thousands from casting nonprovisional ballots. Likewise, if Alabama’s voter-ID law goes into effect, it will place its largest burden on black voters who lack acceptable forms of identification and don’t have immediate access to alternatives. And while most of these laws—which, it’s worth noting, have been passed in most of the states of the former Confederacy—provide for free identification, it’s not an easy reach. To get one in Mississippi, for instance, residents need a birth certificate, which costs $15 and requires the photo identification they don’t have. They’ll also need time to travel to the state office to pay or a computer to do the transaction online.

    For the one in five Mississippians who live below the poverty line, there’s no guarantee of the time to go to an office, a computer to access the website, or a credit card to make the transaction. After all, more than 10 million American households don’t have bank accounts, and the large majority of them are low income. Most voters will know the steps they need to get an ID. They just aren’t easy to complete, and that’s the point.
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    Voter-ID Laws Are Aimed at Democratic Voters
     
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    .......the Democrats supported by their race pimping minions who don't even know what 'suppression' means. They get an ID, they can vote. It applies to all voters. Not one person is turned away when they have an ID. :roll:
     
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    The IRS scandal is about voting and voting suppression.
     
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    No they haven't. They admitted they targeted conservative groups.
     
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    no, jindal got it right regarding which party is the stupid party

    and the video posted earlier, with the lee atwater interview, shows who's pimping race
     
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    Lee Atwater? He died 24 years ago. Geez you guys really have to try harder. You and the dems pols are using blacks as you usually do to strike down laws. Step out from behind minorities for once n your lives. Get an ID and stop crying.
     
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    that doesn't mean he didn't use and explain the 'southern strategy'



    Southern strategy - Evolution

    As civil rights grew more accepted throughout the nation, basing a general election strategy on appeals to "states' rights" that some would believe to be a play against civil rights laws would have resulted in a national backlash. In addition, the idea of "states' rights" was considered by some to be subsumed within a broader meaning than simply a reference to civil rights laws, eventually encompassing federalism as the means to forestall Federal intervention in the culture wars.

    In 1980, Republican candidate Ronald Reagan's proclaiming "I believe in states' rights" at his first Southern campaign stop was cited as evidence that the Republican Party was building upon the Southern strategy again. Reagan launched his campaign at the Neshoba County Fair near Philadelphia, Mississippi, the county where the three civil rights workers were murdered during 1964's Freedom Summer.

    In addition to presidential campaigns, Democratic charges of racism have been made about subsequent Republican campaigns for the House of Representatives and Senate in the South. The Willie Horton commercials used by supporters of George H. W. Bush against Michael Dukakis in the election of 1988 were considered by many Democrats, including Jesse Jackson, Lloyd Bentsen, and many newspaper editors, to be racist. The 1990 re-election campaign of Jesse Helms attacked his opponent's alleged support of "racial quotas," most notably through an ad in which a white person's hands are seen crumpling a letter indicating that he was denied a job because of the color of his skin.

    Bob Herbert, a New York Times columnist, reported a 1981 interview with Lee Atwater, published in Southern Politics in the 1990s by Alexander P. Lamis, in which Lee Atwater discussed politics in the South:

    Questioner: But the fact is, isn't it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps?

    Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, "N, N, N." By 1968 you can't say "n" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "N, N."

    Herbert wrote in the same column, "The truth is that there was very little that was subconscious about the G.O.P.'s relentless appeal to racist whites. Tired of losing elections, it saw an opportunity to renew itself by opening its arms wide to white voters who could never forgive the Democratic Party for its support of civil rights and voting rights for blacks."

    In later decades, some analysts made the argument that Southern whites' move to the Republican Party had more to do with economic interests than racism. In The End of Southern Exceptionalism, political scientists Richard Johnston and Byron Shafer argued that Republican dominance in the South was driven by increasing numbers of wealthy suburbanites. Conversely, other scholarship has reaffirmed the role of racial factors: in 2005, Valentino and Sears reported that "the South's shift to the Republican party has been driven to a significant degree by racial conservatism".

    Some analysts viewed the 1990s as the apogee of Southernization or the Southern strategy, given that the Democratic president Bill Clinton and vice-president Al Gore were from the South, as were Congressional leaders on both sides of the aisle. During the end of Nixon's presidency, the Senators representing the former Confederate states in the 93rd Congress were primarily Democrats. During the beginning of Bill Clinton's, 20 years later in the 103rd Congress, this was still the case.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
     
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    You know what? I always here libs moan about this 'southern strategy' but can never explain what it was. Define it and give examples of what it is. What was the strategy and, how was it implemented if at all, and who implemented it and how?
     
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    it's like you're blind, deaf and dumb, but it's really just that you're dishonest
     
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    Answer the question.
     
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    the answer is 'yes, i know what' and i've posted it plenty of times

    you seem to be blind to it
     
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    You got that right. :thumbsup:

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    :roflol::roflol::roflol: Okay, I need a time out.
     
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    Getting an ID has nothing to do with suppression. Two different animals! Now we know you have no idea what suppression means.

    Many of these folks were turned away, and they had an ID; http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/11/25/4352900_report-election-changes-silenced.html?rh=1
     
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    You were the one who implied people who support "states' rights", external of any GOP hypocrisy, just due to the federal position, are racists.

    What false premise?
     
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    he's right, they are racist
     
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