Russia’s newest Su-30 multirole jets and Su-24 bombers practiced attack runs on NATO

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  1. milorafferty

    milorafferty Banned

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    Yea, yea, yea. We have seen what happens when the latest russian military junk goes against the United States military. Anyone remember Iraq? Either time?

    The soviets got kicked out of Afghanistan when the United States supplied just the Stinger to a bunch of goat farmers. You know they can't handle the full professional military brought to bare.

    Better equipment, better support and logistics, better trained troops, and better moral. The diapers are needed from wetting ourselves laughing at you. :roflol:
     
  2. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So then it doesn't matter to you what Washington does, they can arm and kill as many people in the world as they want, as long as it fills up their pockets? You do know there is such a thing as right and wrong? This doesn't mean I'm blaming the American people, they are simply being deceived by their lying politicians and media. Americans are not racial and ethnic supremacists, and we do not believe in genocide. . yet our government is supporting these things in Ukraine and in Syria.
     
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    Casper Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    Whatever, go away.
     
  4. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Draco the Russians said they will be able to fight a war on three fronts. By three fronts they do not mean Canada, Mexico and Cuba. They mean the countries that are bordering them, and where Washington is trying to provoke a regime change and civil war.

    Victoria Nuland who caused the mess in Ukraine, decided to pay a visit to the Caucasus. She went to Georgia and met with the people working for the CIA and Soros supported NGO's. You can expect a regime change there, and maybe a civil war. She also paid a visit to Azerbijian, so you can expect trouble there...maybe a war with Armenia.

    We are also training Al Nusra/Al Queda jihadists in Turkey to fight Assad...not ISIS mind you, but Assad the elected president. These wars will not be caused by Russia.
     
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    The U.S. Air Force and the Navy does provide diapers to their fighter pilots. Too many crashes while pilots tried pissing in a funnel.

    But with todays Obama's PC Navy, looks like diapers will now become standard issue on navy warships.

    As Obama's former SECDEF said, today's navy main mission is no longer about fighting wars but is now liberal social engineering of the navy.

    I would say "freaking unbelievable" that the Russians were able to defeat our destroyers and cruisers AEGIS weapons system but I'm not surprised. Anything that uses electronics can be defeated. And as many of our allies have been saying for decades now, the U.S. military has become so dependent on technology, that if they lose that technology in combat, can they still fight ? Probably not. But we will have diapers to issue our troops when they find out that today's technology may not work during a real war.
     
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    Truly...a laughable post.
     
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    LOL this is getting ridiculously similar to straight up political (*)(*)(*)(*) measuring.
     
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    Vodka's not cheap, can you blame them for wanting to earn a few rubles as Putin bots.
     
  9. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why, I found it very informative. You're not going to find out that Nato is having war games in the Black Sea from the corporate media? Visiting ships are not allowed there for more than fifteen day. I knew about it from Greekdefense.net, but did you.

    I also knew about Russia's capabilities from this article in Fort Russ. It's a Russian officer telling what would happen if the Russian army really invaded Ukraine:



    "...today we use digital radio communication with local encryption. You can intercept it, but you cannot decipher it. The code changes in 50 minutes, an hour, an hour and twenty-two minutes - on arbitrary unpredictable schedule. Ukrainian military and the armed forces of Novorossia are using an old analog model, which you can listen to. And the Russian army now has communications which was previously only on secure communication lines, - you can only hear the crackling and a characteristic murmur.

    Secondly, if the Russian army appears in front of UAF, it will be easy to determine.

    The first sign - failure of all means of communication, full discharging of batteries in vehicles, tanks and other equipment, at the same time, discharge of batteries in mobile phones, the targets, and radio stations. Then, there is a rapture of electric circuits throughout all the equipment - all of it. This is EMP. All engines stall, no way to restart. This is how the system "X" works (in order to protect the author we do not specify the name), with a range of up to 20 km.

    Second - complete failure of all systems using LCD monitors, the failure of all target-locating devices of the air defense system. This is how the complex "Altair" works (this is a known complex in the world, we can name it).

    Third - a failure to deploy any kinds of guided missile weapons - from MANPADS to PTURS [anti-tank guided reactive missile]. Upon launching, the ammunition liquidates itself.

    This is a battalion complex "Z" - on the basis of MTLB [multi-target light armored transporter]. Range - 15 kilometers.

    Fourth - it is impossible to use a drone and low-flying aircraft. There on board electronics will fail. This is system "Y". Then there is a complex "Avtobaza", which can forcibly land a drone.

    What will happen next? Dozens (hundreds, if necessary) of the latest combat helicopters, flying over all the roads, start hunting for single armored vehicles, trains, cars. Railroad is paralyzed, bridges blown up. The lights go out on the home front - electric stations are out of service. Civil and military headquarters on the home front and separate leaders simultaneously are liquidated by the recon-subversive groups.

    This is roughly how the Russian army would conduct military operations today. Therefore, the wet dreams about the "hero-cyborgs", spitting flame on hundreds of Russian tanks, are better left to science fiction writers."

     
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    Russia would've had their asses kicked during the Cold War by NATO and the same thing goes for today.
     
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    so Russia can sail through the English Channel and not be attacked?

    Russian bombers can fly near US airspace and not be attacked?

    and by the way, Russians are murdering countless Ukrainians in Ukraine. Time for them to be stopped.
     
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    Exactly what years during the Cold War are you referring too ?

    After the "New Left" who just gained control of the Democrat party in 1974 and allowing the American military to become a hollow force by 1978, the U.S. military doubted they could defeat the Soviet Union in Europe or on the seas.

    When Reagan became the CnC in 1981 he found that the U.S. military was in worse shape than the American people were being told. Reagan had to rebuild the American military and he did.

    But by 1986 with Reagan's new military, the same one G.H. Bush (41) went to war with during Desert Storm, the Army still believed they couldn't defeat the Soviet Union in Europe. The Navy with a soon to be 600 ship navy said they could defeat the Soviet Navy at sea.

    So what the U.S. Army did was to adopt a new tactic, maneuver warfare.

    Maneuver Warfare: The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly
    AUTHOR Major William A. Card, USMC
    CSC 1991
    SUBJECT AREA - Warfighting

    Executive Summary:
    >"Maneuver Warfare: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
    In the last decade, the Marine Corps has moved
    aggressively to adopt maneuver warfare as its war fighting
    style. Most often the model for the maneuver style of war
    has been the German Army of the Second World War. The
    German research of many scholars has been used as
    justification for a variety of changes to our methods,
    doctrine, and institutions. In an analysis of maneuver
    warfare tenets, good, bad, and ugly, against the backdrop of
    German methods, training, and reality, the discussion
    indicates where misconceptions and mistakes are dangerously
    close to being institutionalized..."<

    continue -> http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1991/CWA.htm
     
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    The Russians are flying in international airspace, and sailing in international waters. Perfectly legal. The Black Sea is different though, because there is a treaty. Visiting ships can only stay there a certain length of time.

    But then why are the Ukrainians running into Russia to escape the slaughter?:confuse:
     
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    Well .... In your alternative reality, things can be. For example, you say that you are an exceptional nation, the United States - the country of the elves, America developed and you have "freedom of speech". You have your own, ostensibly, the "logic". You even laugh without reason. In the real world, the American sailors go to a psychologist that he had helped to cope with fear. Such as it was on "The Donald cook".
     
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    You are a very good comment on the post. Bravo!
     
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    Look at NATO bases around Russia. And compare them with the Russian bases around United States. This is the most accurate answer to your question is - who wants to start World War III.
    Your statement about a paid agent of the Kremlin, naive and stupid. Think. I do not speak English. I use a translator. Do you think that in Russia, a country that carries American astronauts into space - no people who speak English? Do you have the logic? Very funny.
     
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    You have a great sense of humor. Bravo!
     
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    Destroyer of illusions Banned

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    About the Russian threat to you speak at the White House, Congress, Fox News, and so on. You are not outraged? For example listen to what Senator McCain says.
     
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    I heard Mr. Berlusconi was released. Is this true? Such a cheerful man should be free.
     
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    My American friend, goat herders kicked expelled the the Americans, Germans, French, Polish, English and so on .... without Russian weapons, without Russian military instructor, without Russian funding..... And besides - in the US, France, Germany, England and so on nebilo revolution and civil war, as it was in Russia. Over whom you laughing at? At yourself?
     
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    We should get a but going.

    How many Su-30 and Su-24 Russian Jets do you think the U.S. would shoot down in the first 5 minutes of such a conflict?

    I am using an educated guess of.....ALL OF THEM.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    I don't even understand why you would want to boast about such Soviet and Russian Made Aircraft?

    Flying Coffins.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    It's called electronic attack, and Russia should not be doing this as it can cause unexpected results. It's stupid, inappropriate and probably illegal to 'attack' a foreign ship. But I see the pro-Russian posters here are giddy with delight over provocation and risk, to both parties, ignorance is bliss and Russia seems to delight in stupid bliss lately - while they can get away with it, then they'll cry foul and blame the West when the stuff really hits the fan.
     
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    In the US, alcohol is much more than in Russia. And let's not forget about addiction. For example, US President - marijuana lover (he talked about this). And Secretary of State John Kerry - a lover of cocaine.
    So - "look at yourself"
     
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    Ask sailors with "Donald Cook".
     

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