Russia’s newest Su-30 multirole jets and Su-24 bombers practiced attack runs on NATO

That posturing? Naw.

I think the sanctions are more severe than that.

 

Ron....are you just taunting me or do you just find this funny??

I AM ASKING YOU AS A PERSONAL FAVOR TO PLEASE CHANGE YOUR AVATAR.

A personal favor owed by me to anyone is something of GREAT VALUE.

AboveAlpha

 

my choice of avatar has NOTHING to do with you.

i don't even see avatars as I have the silly things, along with signatures, turned off.

in my PF world, they don't exist.

...but for you, I make exception

 

OK....I asked nicely...and you chose not to do anything.

Your loss as a Personal Favor owed by me does have value.

Such as....I fly and can fly ANYONE ANYWHERE...ANYTIME.

I would have extended such an offer as gratitude.

I also own a great number of model homes and properties mostly in Florida and a few on Marco Island as well as a large one on Biscayne Bay....which would have been offered.

Plus there are many other FAVORS I am capable of making happen.

But you will not have such an oppertunity now will you?

Where is my Sig?

AboveAlpha

 

On the TOPIC of SU 30's - Acts of War - & all the Brain Laundry (washing) involved etc
& the ability to come to agree upon the parameters of an Adversarial relationship here on PF


Cataract removal Eh ! –
Yah me too. - One out, Wednesday last Week – no kidding
I had to take one of the lens out of my Photo Greys - kind of Gives me that EVIL Eye look


Too bad they are harder to remove from the Brain than from the Eye

Can't you just imagine the Clarity that all us Numan Beans
could all enjoy, cutting through all that Poison put in our Well
by the filthy Parasites who like to call themselves our Leaders

You're OK Alpha –
you're NOT just another cheap ass One Liner
like so many of our Patriot Heros here on the PF


I’ll try poking you in the Ribs & avoid the Eyes
If you’ll do the same for the old guy, way over here,
…................. on the other side of the Great Divide. –

Leave me with my colors
& I'll leave you with your Secret Agent Spook Spiel - do we have a Deal ?
................ But you'll have to Drop Off Andropoff - He's DEAD fer Christ's sake

Re - the colors -
Do you speak in a dead monotone with no inflection ? - No you don't do you *
Why would you want to express your Beliefs & Ideas in such a manner

Colors Good - I suggest you Use your Good Eye

I'm using them quite a bit less than I use too - I but am a "Synesthete ^",
It is the way I think, hear, taste, smell & feel - It cannot be helped

Kinda like LSD - & you know all about that, don't you Andropoff

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Thank You!!!

You are BUSTING MY CHOPS....but I don;t have any personal issues with this guy even if he is a scum bag!

AboveAlpha

 

It's spelled Yuri Andropov.

Not Cataracts.....I had a piece of shrapnel pierce one corner of my eye thus cutting the muscle that contols eye movement.

I was lucky in I had a great American Doctor working on me in this S#!# HOLE of a Hospital as they didn't want to move me because of other issues.

I can already take the eye patch off but if I do for too long it hurts.

Typing with one eye is not so hard as your muscle memory knows where the keys are but still....it is a pain!

AboveAlpha

 

Europe is a staging point.Germany is holding it's economy up and it's endanger of collapsing.

If for example Ukraine isnt secured by nato when the clapse of EU happens something like this will

With no buffer state.Russia could easily conquer all of europe.

Experiencing an economic collapse EU could do nothing.

Russian and German alliance is also likely in this case

With the collapse of EU America would loose most of its allies. At this point it would be beneficial for both china and india to partner up with Muslims and conquer middle east.

With this simple event America has become isolated and virtually alone.

This is why.

America boast it's military strength at Russia's border to intimidate and to anger. Then russia does the same.

 

You have got to be kidding?

The Russian Military even though much better than it was 10 years ago...is so DEGRADED....they would have a hard time launching any attack against any Western European Nation and if they did....the U.S. Military WOULD OBLITERATE THEM....so quickly Putin's head would be spinning.

Putin is not completely stupid.

Putin might have drastically miscalculated bt Annexing the Crimea.....but Russia has neither the money, the experience, the Military Equipment or the manpower to do anything as COMPLETELY IDIOTIC as attacking Western Europe or challenging the United States Military.

It would be a SLAUGHTER.

Putin is not that crazy.

AboveAlpha

 

actually, he may actually just be that stupid.

he will find out how stupid he is if he even blinks at Latvia, which is likely his next target for Lebensraum

 

If he goes after Latvia we will supply the Ukraine and Georgia with High Tech. American Weapons like the Improved Stinger...takes one person to shoot down a Jet ot Chopper.

Javaline Anti-Tank Missile....again...one guy carries and is considered THE BEST ANTITANK MISSILE ON THE PLANET.....as well as Battlefield Drones to locate Targets....it would end up meaning THOUSANDS OF RUSSIAN KIDS COMING HOME IN BODY BAGS!!

Not something we want to do.

AboveAlpha

 

I thought I heard somewhere that Putin was gearing up Russia's military to be ready to fight three Ukraine like skirmishes within a year or so.

 

There is no aim in invading EU. Russia needs EU as a growing market of resources and goods from Russia from the one side and a reliable and good competitor with China in the Russian market at the second. What would Putin get even if he succeeds with conquering all of EU? Millions of people who want to be fed and live to a high standards which Russia is not able to afford? Wars are done for something more substantial.

As for Ukraine and Baltic countries or Modavia - there is no harm for Russian Army to occupy these countries. And the US would do nothing to the army except for some wondergul TV shows at FOX maybe. But what would Putin get instead? Nothing. None of these countries possesses any economic or political value. The only reason which can push russian armors to these countries is safety and survival. Pur a real threat and Putin will have to react. That can be antinuclear missile systems. Or solid NATO groups capable at least in theory to harm Russia.
Note that it is exactly what is being performed for the moment. EU is speaking of making up an army of its own. Baltic countries receive some american junk (which wouldn't be a problem for now, but is a good trolling for Russia) and Ukraine gets all the old soviet junk all over the world. US pushes Europe and Russia for a clash against each other. GB was good at it centuries ago. Their successors do it in a bery open cowboy manner which is obvious from the very beginning...

 

Putin is doing exactly that!!!

But that does not mean he would actually do it.

But if he does....the costs to the Russian People would be....unbearable.

AboveAlpha

 

Great. How many russian planes and choppers were seen in Ukraine so far? )))

The good thing of this decision is that russian ministry of defense would have any of this high tech right before it would get to ukrainian army. The other thing is that americans would have to supply not only such a weapon but also a specialist who can use this weapon..., which would end in lots of bodybags that would have to make a journey around the globe...

I bet it wasn't the best of Obama's moves to come knee deep into russian blood. If the world doesn't go into war americans would have to find someone who should bear the guilt for all of it. And I doubt that any of the talking heads spreading propaganda in the west wouldn't give up such a nice pres as Barak...

 

I agree there is no benefit for Putin to try to inavde Europe but Putin and the Russian Military are hardly capable of attacking NATO.

They could go after the Baltic countries or Modavia....but at what cost?

The Russian Economy is in shambles.....it needs the help of the U.S.....all of this is just unnecessary!!!

AboveAlpha

 

I am completely against either Russia or the United States being in conflict UPON ANY LEVEL!!!

But I KNOW....that if Putin decides to start annexing other Nations....although the U.S. and NATO will not dirrectly respond unless it was a NATO NATION....that we would end up supply such Nations with easy to use one person Shoulder Fired Anti-Aircraft and Anti-Tank Weapons.

The very BEST that exist.

I HOPE TO GOD THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN!!!

The PROBLEM that Russia is now experiencing is PUTIN.

We can help.

We can help rebuild the Russian Economy.

We can restore the Ruble to have value.

What do you think is a better path?

AboveAlpha

 

That would be a very tough choice, but if the vital interests of Russia would be under threat I see no reason why that is impossible.

At any... As usual. In 40s when all of European nations were calmly waiting for their turn after jews, soviet people paid 20 mln of lives out of 200 in order to be free. If we need to pay the same or more I see no reason not to buy life and freedom. It is still worthy of paying any price, yaknow?

It would fo much better if US stops to do harm to it. But so far the economy is growing. It is getting difficult of course. People are losing jobs and libs in the government want to use the tools as if the investors would come from abroad, but russians are not likely to give up because of economic troubles. At least for now. I think it is because of fresh experience our nation received in the 90s after the collapse of USSR. It was of course a celebration for everyone in the US, but it was damn hard for us learning when everyone tried to screw us up. We needed if not treatment as friends but at least not to be treated as enemies. Unfortunately no russian felt this support and it is strange to think that the people would do the same mistake again. No fall of present economy in Russia would ever match with what we had in the 90s. The country was robbed. And the robbers are all in the west on the beaches of Florida. Noone of them got into any of "Magnitsky list" or whatever.

 

Russia needs a better caliber troll.

 

I have a lot of Russian Friends who mostly were my COUNTERPARTS during the Cold War.

But the friends of my Russian friends have absolutely no idea about the over $300 Billion the U.S. Taxpayers spent to rid both Russia and the old Soviet States of Soviet Nuclear, Chemical....and worse of all and mostly in Russia itself....BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS!!!

Russia was not getting screwed.....they were already DEAD ON THEIR FEET!!!

I have posted this many times but Putin cancelling the Russian/American Joint Development of Western Siberia was a HUGE MISTAKE BY PUTIN!!!

North America has more Oil and Natural Gas and Coal reserves than Russia and the Middle East put together!!!

Some Russian's thought that the American help was for the purpose of STEALING RUSSIAN NATURAL ENERGY RESERVES.....BUT WE DON'T NEED THEM!!

AboveAlpha

 

It is YOUR problem. And our blessing.

Do no harm for a start.

No, please. Not again. Americans already tried to rebuild russian economy in the 90s. Help someone else, please.

I see no good path to be honest... The problem is the systemic crisis of capitalism in the west. The system worked well when it had to compete with soviet system. Capitalism is exceptional when having competition. But once it was left alone it rot out in a decade. To find a way out means to find a better way for the whole humanity. The reform should happen firstly to international law. Globalisation need to find a level to match the interests of different nations. All the global problems ned to have a special and active approach and tools. The other thing is ideology. When christian churches were strong then the local ideological revolts against its rules made sense. For the moment it doesn't. Faith and moralty needs protection rather than liberalisation. Otherwise in a couple of generations muslims would take after every civilization. And a conglict between Russia and US would be something that these guys would really earn at. Because the muslim leaders controlled would perish and the new would come. But their ideology and devotedness would stay.
In other words we need urgent initiatives that would place the interests of humanity over the interest... rates. And that is the main problem. I see a serious group of serious people who would protect interests of different industries in different countries. US, EU, China, Russia. But I see NOONE (ZZZEEERRROOO!!!) influential people staying for the humanity, justice and world peace. So even if there is a wonderful way out of the modern systmic crisis - I see no people who are able to correct the situation. Not even Putin...

That's why I do the most useful thing in my humble opinion that a person can do for the moment. I pray...

 

First of all there never existed competition to the West from the Russian Economy.

Secondly....if you want to have JOBS, and a GREAT ECONOMY......you allow us to help you.

Unlike China...we have no need of your natural resources and once you let China in....and since China has absolutely ZERO EXPERIENCE at developing Super Cold Weather Infrastructure and Drilling.....you are going to waste BILLIONS before you see A DROP OF OIL!!!

And even then China has already stated it refuses to pay Russia $120 a Barrel for Oil when it can buy Oil at $48 a barrel from the U.S.

Russia needs to develop an economy where RUSSIAN;S ARE BUYING PRODUCTS FROM RUSSIAN COMPANIES.....like here in the U.S.

AboveAlpha

 

It is not regarded as a good thing. If I come to you and destroy your old house (dangerous to live at) and your old car (dangerous to drive) once you have really hard times..., if I do it at my expence would you show me some respect? Honestly...

Not at all. I lived in USSR. I had to stay in the lines. Nut I had bread and milk every day. And they were fresh. And my parents were getting salaries. We couldn't afford decent quality of goods for our money as it was not available in th market. That's true. Communism sucks as a matter of motivation for quality. But we were not dying. In the 90s people were not getting money for years. Men were commiting suicides because they (while working) had nothing to feed their hungry kids. You think drinking happened because soviet people were lazy and spoilt? No. It was because people wanted to get awakened out of a nightmare which was brought to us instead of the american dream which we saw in our TV screens.

At last. I posted you so many times that it was of zero help but your best argument was that Putin doesn't cancel it... Evil Putin left you without your best argument!

Lie. You compare pears and apples. Russia has much bigger deposits of shale oil and gas and it is perhaps the only country which can afford digging for it without major problems for the nature. But so far humanity deals with easy-to-average oilfields (the easiest are exhausted). The next are located in the north cap.

Only because Putin kicked your oil companies out of Siberia... Otherwise you would take siberian oil for american market at a price which would be around the price of extraction. Russians were not mistakening. You really wanted that. And you were very close to it.

C'mon. We know that we aren't the best friends. It just happened so. It is not your or mine fault. Can't you talk a little out of the box? And out of your regular arguments which I am reading for the fifteenth time I think?

 

You had much more resources. Africa. Latin America. Most of Asia. Europe. It was all united against the commies who had the ideology which made serious restrictions to exploting people without crossing the line. It's a miracle that having so small resources and few technological traditions USSR managed to compete with capitalism so long. The competition did take place. But of course the economy was incomparable.

Firstly try to speak to men as if they are not dogs who peed in your shoes, right? US is a great country, but some countries lived before it. And some countries will for sure live after.

That's our problem.

It's market... If China wants to have a barrel for 50 they can buy it for the price they want. Russian oil would go for the price WE want. The negotiations is not a problem.

I remember when I as a student about 15 years ago brought an AMD processor (in a box) and a sound card (Soundblaster Audigy) from NYC to Moscow. The guys gathered around it as if it was something they have never seen. A processor in a box! OMG! It had almost a spirit of freedom and liberty! And yaknow what? In few seconds they went to where they belonged to in despair after having read "made in China"... ))

 

Russia invested more money in employment than anybody. Their highly mobile Sam's FAR surpass anything America has.

SU PAK T-50
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Top speed:1,516 mph
Range:3,418

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Russian small arms surpass american.

Their Ka-52 surpasses the Apache.

Their nuclear battle crueiser, though only 3 Surpases any war ship built to date in attack and defence potential

So russia has better planes. Better nukes.better guns. Better sams.and better attack helicopters

The thing that russia lacks is numbers. Wont be a problem if war came. They have a huge industrial potential.

If you watch the world news you'd know all the unrest in EU.

India and China are part of Brics and if the situation arrives they would chose to partner up with russia.

They are more friendly with russia then america.

The only thing America has going for it is that they have the biggest navy. So much so that if you confine evyone else's navy;Americas navy would still be bigger

If you invade fom Alaska the navy thing won't be an issue.
one of the sams could easily cover this area. Their range is 400kl. they could track 10p targets and engage up to 12 at the same time.

Few hundred of them will shut down the sky.

Chinas population is 1.35 billion. India population is 1.25 billion.

An army of 100 million would be easy. They have an overpopulation problem anyway