China's oppression of Tibet

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  1. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    Singapore spent money to help ALL THE PEOPLE!!!

    China and specifically the CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY LEADERSHIP....only seeks to JUSTIFY IT'S EXISTENCE!!!

    They spend money on Urban Art and Buildings and Beutifucation Projects while people in the Rural areas of China live very much the same way they have been living for 1000 YEARS!!

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  2. s002wjh

    s002wjh Well-Known Member

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    Did u even study hk history under Britain 150 yrs hk most time are 2nd class citizens without free elections

    As for China rural it's still a developing nation look at india. China pull 400 million into middle class in 30 years that's something no country done. Yes there are corruption etc etc that's another issues related to non independent judicial system etc. look at india or Philippine they are even worse despite been democratic country
     
  3. Albert Di Salvo

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    China will never have an independent judicial system. The concept of a separation of judicial, legislative and executive powers is alien to Confucian political systems. The Chinese will be prosperous, but never free.
     
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    Well said. Hope to see more of your enlightening posts.
     
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    It is sad that China lacks an independent judicial system which is not only vital for justice, but also in the battle against corruption.

    With regard to freedom, Chinese citizens, unlike their North Korean counterparts, are free to emigrate anywhere or travel overseas for holidays.

    Once out of the country, the Chinese government has no control over its citizens, and they are free to do whatever they like, including reading anti-CCP propaganda in foreign publications and newspapers.
     
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    Please elaborate and give examples. Don't tell us that the Chinese are also God's chosen people. :smile:
     
  7. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    The Chinese can't speak freely except about little things. If they do attempt to speak freely about anything the Standing Committee of the Politburo of the Party opposes the Chinese will be threatened. I am amused by the shocked expressions of so many Chinese when I tell them what I think of Hak Kwai and the Political Establishment in the United States. They can't believe that a tongue can turn into a razor blade.
     
  8. Albert Di Salvo

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    Do the Palestinians reject Israeli occupation? Do the Tibetans reject Han occupation?

    I am familiar with Han references to flimsy historical claims to Tibet, but the wishes of the Tibetans are ignored by China just as the wishes of the Palestinians are ignored by Israel.

    Israeli settlers immigrate into Palestinian territories, and Han settlers immigrate into Tibet. The result is the same.
     
  9. reedak

    reedak Well-Known Member

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    If Hak Kwai needs a shave, he won't look for the local barber but you to thrust your tongue.

    If Xi needs a shave, he trusts and thrusts only his own tongue.
     
  10. reedak

    reedak Well-Known Member

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    I beg to differ.

    In my opinion, China and the US have a lot in common instead.

    The early European settlers immigrated into Red Indian territories, and Han settlers immigrate into Tibet. The result is the same.
     
  11. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    I am not surprised.

    Is China importing Mexicans in vast numbers in order to depress the wages of the Han? Are the Chinese losing their identity?

    The Americans exterminated the aborigines who inhabited what became the United States. China has not exterminated the Tibetans. Instead, China occupies Tibet.
     
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    Obviously I was not refering to Hong Kong under British Rule over 100 years ago....99 yeal lease by the way.

    I was talking about how Chinese is subverting the freedoms of the people of Hong Kong while reaping the monetary benefits.

    I have been to Hong Kong many times and been to China several times and been to areas of China the Chinese Communist Party does NOT want outsiders to see.

    The entire REASON that China has even grown economically as it has was because of a very long term U.S. Plan that Nixon and Kissinger started.

    That plan still continues to work.

    The Chinese Communist Party Leadership has made some of the best and absolute WORSE DECISIONS one could imagine.

    Their best decisions were to follow a Capitalistic Modeled System.

    Their WORSE DECISION.....actully 3 really bad ones began in 2006....when the Chinese Communist Party Leadership asked the PLN and PLA Leadership to draw up plans to INVADE TAIWAN.

    That plan was stopped by the U.S. Military inviting high ranking Chinese PLN and PLA Leadership to come to the United States to watch USN. Warganes out of Norfolk.....and other U.S. Army and U.S. Air Force Wargames.

    The #2 MOST STUPID PLAN.....was that the Chinese Communist Party Leadership thought that by lending huge amounts of money to the U.S. to suport Deficit Spending....that this would some how allow the Chinese to dictate U.S. Foreign Policy.

    It had THE EXACT OPPOSITE EFFECT as the #1 Rule of Lending Money is.....NEVER LEND MONEY TO ANYONE OR ANY GROUP OR ANY NATION YOU CANNOT FORCE PAYMENT FROM!!!

    #3 Worse DUMBER THAN DUMB PLAN.....was to develop a Chinese Economy that is dependent upon SALES AND EXPORTS OF NON-STRATEGIC GOODS TO THE UNITED STATES!!

    The U.S. could comletely collapse the entire Chinese Economy in a WEEK.....by simply refusing any and all incoming Chinese Exports....none of which are anything much more than cheap WALMART GOODS.

    The United States by a combination of placing the Chinese Economy at our mercy as well as the U.S. Military existing at a Level of Capability never before existing so high in Human History....has got China's number.

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  13. reedak

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    Please note that "a lot in common" does not mean "totally common".

    Right. The Americans exterminated the aborigines and occupied the New World which was renamed the United States. China has not exterminated the Tibetans but occupies Tibet.

    It looks like the Chinese has a kinder heart. Americans kick twice at the axx of the natives, but the Chinese have only to kick once.
     
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    Actually regarding the useless junk comment, I heard the US, especially the Tech industry, is overly dependent on China for Rare Earths.
     
  15. Albert Di Salvo

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    Yeah right...Chinese have kind hearts.
     
  16. s002wjh

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    actually in 97 when asian economy crisis, china use its limited fund to save HK, while britain stand by and do nothing, back then HK was still under britain rule. i dont know where you get the info on subverting freedom of HK, since they still can protest speak out against ccp etc etc,
    the fact you been to rural means CCP didnt hide it, CCP openly admit there are still 100-300 millions chinese live in poverty, hence they always said they still a developing nation.
    CCP made some worse decision before 80s, but they been making good decision since deng xiao pang was in power, at least in term of economy.

    as for plan CCP always has plan to invade taiwan even though their relationship is warmer now, just like we have EVERY type of plan for EVERYTHING, hope for the best but prepare for the worst. i'm sure we have some plan on best way to nuke china in order to get rid of their nuke etc etc

    china dont have any strategic goods, they dont have much oil or any other type resource. they sale to us because they want to increase their economy, better living condition etc etc.

    you are naive on US collapse chinese economy in a week, and we wont get hurt, please link an credible article on this. suggest look at your PC, printer, speaker, iphone, your cars parts, etc etc see which country made those.

    also china is not even thinking of challenge US military, they know they can't win. and US is not gonna attack them for no reason, especially our economy are tied together.
     
  17. AboveAlpha

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    We do get soe Rare Earths from China but we have many sources including North ad South America we can get them.....but they are cheaper coming from China due to lower Chinese Wages.

    Also understand that the United States and China are the two largest trading partners.

    The Chinese Economy is highly dependent on Exports to the U.S.

    China is also highly dependent upon the U.S. for a number of energy needs some direct some indirect.

    China imports vast amounts of U.S. COAL as the U.S. has the worlds largest Coal Reserves and is the Worlds #1 Exporter of Coal.

    China is also signing contracts with both U.S. Shale Oil Companies and Candian Sand Tar Oil Producers as China realises that although it has made some commitments to help develop Russian East Siberian Infrastructure in order to gain access to East Siberian Natural Gas and Oil Reserves......it will take decades just to develop the Infrastructure needed to support workers and equipment needed before drilling starts.

    During this time China will be able to purchase U.S. and Canadian Oil and LNG at vastly cheaper prices than the costs of Russian Energy.

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    Oh, well the TV special I saw a few weeks ago seemed to indicate that China's low price put local American Rare Earth production out of business. And although we could restart it in an emergency, it would take some time to gear up and, because of the need, our tech industry is especially worried about loosing China's goods.
     
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    China is still trying to invade Taiwan, in an economic way. China signed an agreement with Taiwan GMT government, so called the economic cooperation...Taiwan people are still fighting it.

    I never discuss politics with my parents, it's so annoying. their statement is that the only way to do with CCP is to obey and cooperate, they have been told for their whole life that CCP is so strong that no one can challenge it

    that's not true. the leaders of CCP are quite dumb axx. why? they rule people by dictatorship, they make people stupid so they are easy to be ruled. so they become stupid as well when they don't get the challenge from their people.

    and .... I always think that the life or death of CCP is depends on the U.S. and I hope my thought is correct, or my city is ready to doom....!



    CCP wants to use Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank to save its economy. it's not gonna success... empower CCP equals to kill the earth's future. as CCP is going to use up all the earth resource, to build its rubbish harmful infrastructure all over the 3rd world.
     
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    That may prove to be a very wise policy, since the Chinese farmers have been following organic methods and sustainable agricultural practices for centuries.

    At least they do not appear to be driving their farm workers from their fields.

    The US could benefit from a two tier approach such as the one China presently has. In the US, family farms are disappearing rapidly and the rest are big business, with all the concerns that come with that.
     
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    In this posted reply to me you asked me..." i dont know where you get the info on subverting freedom of HK, since they still can protest speak out against ccp etc etc,"...end quote s002wjh.

    Well I have been there several times and see what is going on and as well why don't you ask one of the forums members....dreamin'gal.....who lists her home as HONG KONG!!!

    And it is not just 100 to 300 Million Chinese who live in Poverty....try 800 Million!!

    The Chinese Communist Party PURPOSELY list the Chinese Population at only 1.37 Billion when in reality the Chinese Population is over 1.7 Billion people.

    The Chinese Communist Party Leadership under lists the Chinese Population numbers purposely to get groups like the United Nation's POVERTY COMMITTEE.....AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL...etc.....OFF THEIR A$$E$!!!

    The Chinese Communist Party Leadership is in a LIFE OR DEATH STRUGGLE to JUSTIFY THEIR EXISTENCE as China is no longer a COMMUNIST NATION....it is in fact a DICTATORSHIP!!

    As far as in 2006 when the Chinese Communist Party Leadership asked the PLA and PLN to draw up plans to invade Taiwan and reclaim it as a part of China by 2010.....BOTH THE PLA....China's Peoples Liberation Army and PLN.....Peoples Liberation Navy....well the PLA and PLN both set up meetings with the Chinese Communist Party Leadership and DESPERATELY ATTEMPTED TO CONVINCE THEM THAT ANY ATTEMPT TO INVADE TAIWAN BY THE CHINESE MILITARY WOULD RESULT IT THE COMPLETE DESTRUCTION OF THE ENTIRE CHINESE NAVY BOTH SURFACE AND SUB'S AS WELL AS MILLIONS OF PLA SOLDIERS WOULD DIE WHEN U.S. NAVY SUB'S AND U.S. AIR FORCE BOMBERS BLEW THEM OUT OF THE WATER!!!

    We invited the Leadership of the PLA and PLN to watch U.S. Navy, Air Force, Marines and Army WARGAMES....starting with the most massive Naval Wargames occurring out of NORFOLK VIRGINIA.....the Largest Naval Base on Planet Earth.

    Chinese General Chen Bingde went back to China and told the Communist Leadership any atack upon Taiwan would result in over 80% of the entire Chinese Military being destroyed.

    General Chen Bingde was jailed for a short time before released when other Chinese Military Leaders confirmed General Chen Bingde's assessment.

    And lastly.....we could....EASILY.....collapse the Chinese Economy....withing as sson as 5 days...7 days at the most.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Nope you pretty much has no clues. Even at heights of hk protests it's what 5%. Anyway if you want convinced other show creditbl sources. Not gonna has this back and forth I don't have all day on this forum like someone. Oh easy on the cap no one do that only tennagers
     
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    Like the FTA China just sign with South Korea now tawian is worried about theirs economy. Here is some numbers 62% of hk exports to China. Taiwan 48%. Don't let emotions to affect economic decision certainl not politic. Use the data to affect ur decision
     
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    I see Japan now wants to join the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank created by the Chinese. It looks like is all by himself outside of the AIIB.
     
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    My dream gal is still dreaming in her deep slumber like the Sleeping Beauty. Perhaps she needs a Prince Charming or Thumb Dry in Agong's Fairy Tales to wake her up? :sleeping:
     

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