reading transgender children's book to KINDERGARTNERS>>MOD WARNING<<<

I put the laughing icon because the response of 'conservatives' on this site towards anything to do with the scary gay people and their nefarious agenda.

Put down the keyboard, turn off your computer, go outside and talk to people. Things you may learn:
Most people, gay or straight, just want to live a normal life, have a job, maybe raise kids, maybe not, and be left the hell alone to live, love, marry, whatever. The very vocal minority (from both sides I might add) would have you believe that as a business owner you're going to be sued when in reality, Joe Blow and his boyfriend Richard Lick just needed some cupcakes for their daughters birthday, or that the queers are trying to get bathrooms across the country switch to one gender so the perverts can leer at women peeing when really little Timmy Tucker was probably just sick of getting his ass beat in the boys bathroom by the football team because the schools anti-bully policy is crap. If I was a gay person I would be afraid of religious influence on gov't policy in a country that is not only the land of the free but one that supposedly purports the myth of separation of church and state (Looking at you creationism in schools).

And as a parent the last thing I am worried about in this delightful world where ignorance and bigotry are seemingly running rampant is my kid knowing about such 'life changing concepts' as gay people and trans people... Good lord.

 

At 4 years old? They don't have the cognitive ability to understand any of it. There is only ONE reason anyone would want to talk homosexual with a child that young. That is to normalize it and produce young meat.

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would you mind if your kids were being touched by said individuals as they discuss their sexual preferences with them? That is the next step in this perversion

 

We are talking about the same book right? You have seen it? What exactly are you afraid of it teaching your kids about sexuality? That there are people in this world that are born feeling they have a different mental gender than what matches their physical gender? Scary stuff man.

 

What exactly makes it an adult subject? You didn't even answer any of my questions. Pose the subject to the 'adult's here and they all flip their lids like a bunch of middle schoolers who just saw two dudes kissing.

 

I have no issue if the parent feels it is important for their child. That is not the school decision for children at the age of 5. At that age, children have little concept of societal stigmas. They are just kids and should be allowed to be kids. They do not have a different "mental gender", they do not even really understand gender. Again, at 5 years old, this is a subject for the parents to approach....not the schools.

And, yes, I am familiar with the book. It was written by a girl that is a transgender and discusses her feelings.

 

Soooo, don't read kids a kids books that deal with difficult to understand but very real issues we face in society because they will stop being kids if we do. Should we stop doing this with other subjects that we deem difficult to understand or just the ones you disagree with? Maybe racism? Divorce? Drug addiction? Poverty? Because these are ALL issues 5 year olds may or may not have to deal with whether you decide that they are too young or not. Whether you want kids to just be kids or not, kids will have to deal with this issues either in the real world or at home despite what you feel a 5 year old should be ready for at this young age. So stop hiding behind the kids and acting like this is anything other than ignorance.

 

Not at 5 years old. Kindergarten is more of an advanced day care. Why in the world should we be teaching children this young about feeling towards sex. or about racism, or about divorce, or about drugs, or about poverty, when they may not even know their alphabet or their colors. And why is it the school's responsibility to teach 5 year old's about these things....especially without consulting the parents? Yes, children should be taught these things eventually....but not at 5. If an individual child appears to be struggling over these issues at 5 years old then it should be addressed with the child individually, and their parents should be included in the discussion.

 

Then I respectfully disagree. I don't think 5 is too young to be taught about any of these things. Sure they are not all pleasant, but like I said, whether the schools are teaching them are not, there are kids that are going to have to deal with them. Kids are a lot smarter than some people would give them credit for.

 

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Your bigoted attitude is quite clear in each of your posts.

 

Is bullying fun?

 

Talk to the hand, joe. Do you even know how petty you sound? You're defending the arrogant windbags who treat parents like intruders into "their little tolerant culture" (which, by the way, mr. honest, the parents pay for) by dismissing them!

 

Explain, what are you talking about with the bullying? And it really is called LGBTQQ See. Welcome to 2015.

 

You seem to be downplaying the severity of what has transpired in this article and apply sarcasm to the real concerns that are being brought forward by other people on the forum.
These are young, impressionable minds that are being molded in school.
Here we introduce teaching material that calls into question the child's very own sexuality and gender identity
We are talking about opening a doorway for a boy thinking he is a girl OR a girl thinking she is a boy

Can you really not appreciate that these are life-changing concepts being introduced to children?
Can you really not appreciate that a classroom (by which children from varying backgrounds are assembles) is not the right forum for that line of education?
Can you really not appreciate that a parent might want to be the avenue by which a child explores these topics and in raising their child, a parent would know the timelines when these topics would be appropriate?

Obviously you are defending the LGBTQQ community based on your posts... you're entitled to your stance, fair enough.
I am asking you to step back and really introspect on what you are expecting of parents in this situation.
Surely you cannot be so mired in LGBTQQ ideology so as to not see how this school has over-reached in their mandate in this instance.

If you are... then I suspect this is one more thing to fear from LGBTQQ supporters....
That they are so deep in their rationalization that no discretion is even awarded to our future generation.

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I am just as lost as you, lol

 

I also would like to see an excerpt before stating an opinion. This mother, that was all aghast, should have just said...
"No son, if you were transgender you would know it and so would I." End of story.

 

Perverse gayness??? With adults/parents that have that attitude towards the child of another that happens to be gay, their own kids are already up the creek and screwed anyway. Nothing like being reared with bigotry and intolerance from the get go.

 

Dear left wing,

If you want to inundate your children with this crap, do that at home. But school is not the place for it. You WILL NOT brainwash other people's children. Do you understand?

Sincerely,

Everyone Else

 

You cannot brainwash a child into being transgender by them just knowing that these people exist and maybe even some of these kids are thier own classmates. It does not work that way. Jeez!

 

Sadly, most likely not. But then again do bear in mind that I am a cynic's cynic.

 

You haven't been following the thread.

 

Explain how ostracizing a segment of the population of children based upon their feelings about themselves is moral. If I had a transgender child, I would expect that child to have books to relate to as opposed to feeling like some type of freak and outsider.

 

And you would know your kid is sexually confused at 5 years old, is that right?

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Post of the day.

 

Wrong question. This issue is not one that arises naturally, but one that has been manufactured by certain malignant factions so as to create confusion, which is all this book is going to impart to these children, who will thus be robbed of their own insight and need to be told what's what by authority figures, which works to the advantage of those who love power for its own sake.

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You think they have that right?

I don't.

 

You seem to exaggerating the severity of this situation. Most of the concerns I have seen from people on this forum amount to, "Oh no, the gay agenda again..." I don't exactly see how this particular book calls into question any child's sexuality or gender identity (I've seen it, certainly nothing I would be afraid to read to a young child), but if that is your opinion then you are entitled to it.

Can you really not appreciate that there is nothing ground breaking, life altering, or shocking about knowledge of the existence of people with different gender identities?
Can you really not appreciate that there is probably no better place to teach kids about diversity and acceptance than the place they are going to actually experience diversity?
Can you really not appreciate that parents are by no means obligated to have their children attend these liberal strongholds of propaganda and are free to homeschool, change schools, or pursue any other legal means with which to provide their child an education that doesn't involve reading children's books that make grown adults uncomfortable.

When I step back and look at this issue I see fear on the right. That is all I see. I see conservatives who are afraid that kids are being taught about different walks of life, that kids are being taught about acceptance, I see conservatives that are afraid of a kids book because in their minds it is something so much more than a kid's book. It is an attack on our school system, and our morality, and whatever else crap they heard on the news that morning. I see ignorant bigotry that knows no bounds. I see people who have never actually left their computers or offices and actually gone out and met and talked to real people to find out what they're like and instead judge them based off of what they hear on the news or read on the internet.

 

You wouldn't?