Cartoon shows why privileged feel self made.

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  1. OmegaEnigma

    OmegaEnigma Well-Known Member

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    As one of the greatest self taught lies in our society, many wealthy folks believe they got where they are because they worked harder to get there, but most such people have no concept of what life is like for the other 98 percent, so this little cartoon can make it a little more clear for those who have an open mind and ability to empathize or reason.

    http://samuel-warde.com/2015/05/perfect-explanation-privilege-one-powerful-punchline/
     
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    Many of the wealthy really did get there through honest hard work.

    it's a leftist lie to say that none of them do and that every single one of them are criminals. It's also hypocrisy because leftists say that huge generalizations are wrong, and to say every single one of them is a criminal is a huge generalization.

    It's also slander and defamation fo character.

    And the other fault to saying this sheer utter crap load is this:

    They only target white conservatives who are rich. They never target their own, and they also never target things like sports players.

    So, the entire OP is just an asinine thing to say and is completely untrue.

    Some of them are indeed criminals, but not all of them.

    JEalousy, power and control is what this nonsense is all about. They ahve to have conrerol of the wealth and the power so they always resort to lies like this, because they know they can't make headway with using straighforward honest discussion about what they believe.

    And there is only one thing they want, and that is to control all the power and the money for themselves, and absolutely nobody else.
     
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    You totally missed the point of the cartoon. It does not imply that the "successful" guy did not work hard and did not acquire skills. He certainly did.

    It does, however, make the point that the "successful" guy attributes ALL of his success to his hard work, while looking down on others who have worked as hard but haven't become as successful, while at the same time neglecting to mention all the help he has received on the way to success. Unfortunately, the world (and this forum too, btw) is full of people like the one on the left side of the cartoon, who suffer from what is called "attribution bias" in psychology, who then call on cuts to welfare because "everyone can be as successful as I am, if they only work hard enough".
     
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    Cautiously Conservative New Member Past Donor

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    What a total crock of (*)(*)(*)(*)!

    It's people like the artist of that cartoon that create disenfranchisement among the poor - making them feel as if they can't get out.
     
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    It is a simple fact. If you are wealthy, there is a high degree of probability that you have reached that point by leveraging the labor of people who are less wealthy than yourself.

    It s also a simple fact that in a Capitalists economy, there will be poor people. It doesn't dictate who will be poor, it nearly demands there will be poor people. Simple supply and demand curve economics. The wealthy will leverage the labor of poor people. That cannot be argued.
     
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    In all these discussion about privilege, and how people need to acknowledge it, no one ever tells me what I'm supposed to be feeling once I acknowledge it. What? Ok, I had a privileged upbringing, at least compared to a poor person. So what? Is there something I'm supposed to be doing different? Hell, if I am, how is it my responsibility anyway? Being 'privileged' is not exactly my choice.
     
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    Except for one thing.

    You can not be successful if you do not do hard work.

    So why is that a lie?

    Have you ever tried to put your own business together, such as a restaurant?

    Go ahead and try without doing any hard work and see where it gets you.
     
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    literally almost none of them did and the few who didn't can be absolute morons. Look at almost any celebrity in music or tv industry adn see that, do you really think paris hilton works harder than a coal miner? The question isn't are there rich people who work hard its the facty that most of them dont have too. if you can own stocks and luve off the 2% return you get fgrom that investment then you don't need to work and are in fact leeching off the system.

    It also points how when wealthy people who have enough to live off forever still choose to work, yet a conservative thinks unless your starving half to death the poor have no motivation to work. strange its almost like suggesting there is a genetic difference there or something?

    If your upset about leftists taking wealth and power for ourselves, than why do you support the rightist having as much as possible? didn't the leftist get his power and wealth by earning it, that's how its done isn't?

    very few wealthy got there by hard work especially once you get past the $10 million mark there is no amount of "hardwork" worthy of that kind of compensation. do you really think warren buffet works 70 billion times harder than someone with more debt than savings? because that's what your saying.
     
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    Hmm, so it's wealthy white people who are taking advantage of the 'proletariat' class -exploiting them? This sounds like a familiar theme...oh, Karl Marx!

    This is hard to explain when you look at dirt poor Asian immigrants who seem to have excelled in this country through a strong emphasis on education.
     
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    Wellllllll . . . if you are Right of Center then you are supposed to give away two thirds of your fortune to the comparatively unfortunate; but if on the other hand you are a wealthy leftist then simply complaining about the wealth of Right of Center people is sufficient unto the day so far as your ethics and value systems are concerned. Does that clarify thing?
     
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    Not knowing you personally, I can say it would sure help if more wealthy would even just ask the question you did.
    The problem is many wealthy people look down on the poor as if they we so much less than themselves. In the last few years Fox News and many conservatives have taken up the habit of blaming the poor for "leaching" off of them, rather than showing any level of respect, understanding, or simple empathy for their fellow human beings. That behavior is starting to backfire on them.

    Even if you are born rich, your wealth is the product of a society that creates the possibility for you to be and stay that way, so you cannot claim exclusive rights to it. There is also a wayward perception among many wealthy that allowing a society where more people can become wealthy is somehow dangerous to their personal status in life, thus, they tend to support political policies that only benefit them and that status.
    There are many wealthy people who are kind, compassionate, understanding human beings, and this fact is illustrated by their actions, not the lack thereof.
     
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    Horse crap.

    I'm not against wealth because according to the constitution, people have a right to their property and the right to keep it.

    That's why I balk at lies like what you just said.

    Taking somebody's money just because you're jealous that they have it is a very unreasonable belief and action to have, and the constitution protects us against unreasonable searches and seizures.

    And that's a completely unreasonable justification, and a lie.

    Now, if they got their through the organized crime method, then i say take them to the cleaner, regardless of they are. No one is above the law. And i do fulyl agree that it is wrong to bully and coerce people into giving up their wealth.

    Regardless of who and what does it and how.
     
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    Others don't work as hard. No one ever got rich working a forty hour week. The guys at the top are on call 24/7/365. Including when they're on vacation. And not infrequently that lavish vacation they take they aren't on just the wife and kids. And the divorce rates are sky high because the reality is that they are married to their job and women that can take playing second fiddle to a job and remain faithful to a husband they seldom see are rare.

    You don't get rich if you quit. And a hell of a lot of people quit after the first set back. Everything I said about CEOs goes double for small business owners. Add to that a tax code that protects old money and yields it a lot of advantages and makes it all but impossible for the guy just starting out to acquire the capital he needs and it's no wonder that the majority of small start ups fail with the first two years.
     
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    What hard work did Paris Hilton do to be successful?
     
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    What about all the people who work hard and never make it work? My mother started her own business 3 different times, worked so hard at it that she broke down and got sick. Does that mean she didn't work hard enough? Your perception of reality is so skewed its hardly worth addressing most of the time.
     
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    Don't confuse born wealthy and self made wealthy. NO ONE is arguing that Paris Hilton got her riches from hard work. She had to work hard at some small portion of her life, which is easier when you know you can quit at any time and still be a gagillionaire. Good luck finding anyone who claims she's an intelligent hard worker
     
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    So you agree that the claim "you must work hard to be successful" is utter bull(*)(*)(*)(*)?
     
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    It seems that one purchases wealth with their soul.

    I can't fathom why you'd want to live that life.
     
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    I don't know anything about her, so I couldn't say.

    I have seen her in a couple of things and she's not that bad of an actress so i don't really understand what the deal is with the hate she gets. Maybe it really just all boils down to because of being jealous of her because she is blonde and an attractive young miss.

    Which bears a commonality to the hatred that some have because some people have more money and stuff than they have.

    But i balk at you using her as an example to convict lots of other people in other fields.

    What it all boils down to is jealously, because the rich and wealthy people are successful, and that makes them feel impotent and so they have to rationalize their hard feelings any way they can.

    And, they don;t know or understand how to make the system work for them.

    That's one of the big differences between capitalism and socialism and communism. Capitalism is really a system that can be used by anybody to become successful and get on their feet and take care of themselves.

    The other two are all about jealousy and power and money junkies.

    Now capitalism is not an easy system, and there are those who do abuse it, but unlike the other two, it is a good system.
     
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    Those who hold a right wing ideology appear to have a problem with anyone holding a mirror up to them for self-reflection. The amazing amount of vitriol here is amazing.
     
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    What a load of bovine excrement. Yet another propagation of class warfare, waged by those who feel entitled to that which they have not earned or worked for. Tiresome really.
     
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    This is why I don't like you.

    So much partisan hackery and a lot of hypocrisy and projection.

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    Yeah but the problem is capitalism does leave some people out in the cold.

    Capitalism is not a charitable system.
     
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    Be glad some do the rest of us are infinitely better ff because of them. Why do some people play poker for a living? And others do base jumping and mountain climbing? Why play profootball? Sure the money is good but you run a high risk of spending the rest of your life with a brain the consistency of scrambled eggs, or legs that are more metal and plastic than flesh and bone.
     
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    and you will replace capitalism with what???
     
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    That I have no answer for.

    I do want something better though, and I would still choose capitalism over socialism and communism.
     

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