New world order wants Confederate flag in North Carolina state building to be removed

A non-white in the presidency will do that to certain types of people.

 

It's the institution that the entire Southern economy rested on.

Even at Appomatox, the South tried to negotiate to retain it.

It would have died eventually, anyway.

 

I realize that that is the romatic view.

But commodity prices are always dictated by the market, not the producer.

The South was almost exclusively agricultural until well into the 20th Century.

It was so poor in industry and infrastructure that the Yankee armies had to build the railroads they used.

The South bet on England coming into the war on the Southern side, or at least financing their war. But England, chose instead to develop cotten resources in Egypt and India to replace the blockaded Southern crop.

This left the South even more dependent on Northern mills, Northern bankers, and northern railroads than it had been before the war.

 

The US Civil War is misunderstood by most Americans. I had great-grandfathers who fought on both sides in that war, and I'm proud of all of them. They served causes in which they believed.

Our Civil War didn't have to happen. The Constitution left certain rights to the States, and secession was seen by many to be a State's right. Slavery was indeed on it's way out at the time of that war. The Confederate government tried to avoid that war and peacefully seceed from the Union. I'd argue that saving the Union was paramount, but that could have been achieved without war. Had both sides agreed to a phased-out plan for the abolition of slavery, and had the principle of States Rights been adhered-to, there'd have been no war.

As for the Confederate battle flag, it was not and is not a dishonorable nor racist symbol. To many descendants of Confederate soldiers, the flag represents their loyal service to their southern States. There are a number of other "symbols" that I dislike, but I'd be hard-pressed to demand that they be banned. If the citizens of NC or any other State wish to maintain the Confederate battle flag on State property, that's there decision. It's not the business of others to rule on that issue.

 

The people who most want to tear it apart fly that flag proudly at their rallies as they torch a cross.

 

And that is the point, when the Klan and other racist organizations began using that flag as a symbol of their beliefs there was no out cry by the good old southerners. It may not have stood for racism in war but in the post war years it certainly took on that feeling. BTW it is people who live in the state that want it down. We will see. But I think it is funny how people are calling for secession because of who is in the White House seem to be the same people who want to support this flag.

 

Anyone can hang a flag wherever they want. If the government wants to change it, leave it to the state

 

I don't think that's true, but I would be interested in seeing what you can produce by way of a case for that idea.

One of the most misunderstood ironies of the war is the fact that with each compromise over slavery, the Southern position weakened. This wasn't due to slavery, or the compromises themselves.

It was due to the development of industry and technology, which multiplied the economic power of the North, while leaving the South relatively untouched.

When the Missouri Compromise was engineered in 1820, the American economy was much more agrarian. This was changing as water powered textile mills in New England had brought the industrial revolution to America. These mills were totally dependent on Southern cotten for raw materials, so there was an economic balance.

By the time the Compromise of 1850 was adopted, the landscape had changed considerably. Coal from Pennsylvania had led to an explosion in steam powered industry. New England textile mills were augmented by a growing number of factories producing a growing number of goods. Foodstuffs largely came from the newly opened Mid West, via the Erie Canal, the new Erie Railroad and the Baltimore and Ohio RR, which reached Wheeling that year. The blast furnace had been introduced for high volume production of iron in Scranton in 1840, and large scale foundaries were producing rail for the exploding railroad industry, and other goods as well. The two longest trunk line railroads in the world were both in the North. As industry and commerce expanded in the North, the North became less dependant on the textile industry and thus Southern cotton for their economic health.

All this industry and technology bypassed the South almost completely.

This dynamic continued right up till the war and thereafter, as well. When textile mills finally appeared in the South after the war, they were almost always owned by absentee owners in northern cities like Baltimore (Cone and Guilford). By the end of the 19th century, EVERY railroad in the South was controlled either by the Pennsylvania or the New York Central.

 

So tell me Albert, why do I see the Confederate Flag flying next to the Stars and Stripes so often? Isn't that an oxymoron to do such a thing? Or is it for another reason?.......

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30 -35% of southern families owned slaves.

The slave-based economy was literally the blood of the engine of the south.

Billions of dollars in value at the time was wrapped up in it.

The South made it clear, it's whole foundation was tied up in it. It was the cornerstone.

 

No, it wasn't. Defacto slavery even existed for another 80 years after the war.

It wasn't going away on its own.

They did not peacefully leave. They committed Acts of War before Lincoln even stepped into office.

There was no intention of the South to ever phase out slavery. Indeed the plan was to expand it.

It's the flag of white supremacists, death, slavery and traitors.

 

Wear your bigotry with pride!

 

Too many people are in need to always be a victim . It's the poor mentality ...

 

Confusion is the only answer I can think of.

 

How do you know for sure?

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Maybe, maybe not. How can you be sure or are you simply speculating?

 

I laugh at idiots demand removal of the confederate flag, because they prove time and time again, they fail at history.

Take this battle over a confederate flag Georgia had.

this is the old Georgia state flag that caused controversy.

because it looked too much like this....



Here is the new Georgia flag that everyone of the complainers were fine with.


neverminding the fact (which racebaiters fail to realize) that it looks an awful lot like the OFFICIAL flag of the Confederacy.



So, tell me. How is Ga state flag #2 any better than state flag #1? it's a subtle "fawk you" from the state of Georgia is what it was and one that I find HILARIOUS because the people complaining the most were shown to be the most ignoratant of all.

 

Where's the burning crosses??

 

The "socialistic agenda" is run by corporations?

Has anyone told the socialists? They might be surprised.

 

It's been doing that since the South surrendered.

 

Ha! Is that Manzanar?

My friends and I always used to stop there to smoke a joint (Manzy smoke stop?) before we got to Mammoth Mountain to snowboard. Its about an hour outside of the city.

We did it for 10 years until the year I graduated college and found out what it really was.

 

Yes, it MUST be the New World Order since who else would want to remove a flag from government property that stands for slavery and treason and war. Yes, you're definitely onto something here!

 

This, watching Bill Mahr this week was fascinating.

I am wondering if the PC police and victim mentality are starting to finally go overboard.

His joke was hilarious, "A black guy, a jew and a redneck walk into a bar...." He is right though and when Bill Maher, Larry the Cable Guy, Chris Rock and Jerry Sinefeild all agree on this fact ....

Yeah, lot of truth to it. The only good thing I can find about the whole victim society is that it is so easy to beat them in the game of life. Most people 25-35 are utterly dependent on anything but themselves.

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Your avatar looks like a dead person with a cigarette in its mouth. My father passed away from cancer when I was 14 and I am highly offended by your avatar.

Your avatar stands for death, you must remove your avatar as it offends me.

Am I doing it right?

 

Oh I see, so you support the federal government usurping the authority of the constitution and ignoring it's provisions or changing it unilaterally as they see fit?