This is one reason I prefer having cats. The process being suggested here is #1, an alternative to the hypothesis that ancient comets brought water to the earth, and B, a geological process whereby this water makes its way through the mantle and eventually, and very gradually, to the surface through volcanic activity. Presumably, at that point it would be released into the atmosphere, from where it could then condense and become the water we all know, love and only occasionally drown in if we happen to live in a flood plane, like the ancient Mesopotamians did living between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, inspiring flood-related myths, one of which went on to be plagiarised by the ancient Hebrews.
There were frequent "major local events" ... in Mesopotamia. They wrote a flood legend and it got borrowed by the Hebrews.
Genesis I find it odd the people who went through the trouble of calculating the water volume...overlooked the above reference in Genesis. Of course because it's common knowledge folks lived into their 600s back then, but the real issue is there's not enough water! Brilliant! As I was saying...I'm not here to argue...it is no skin off my teeth if someone believes Noah took every animal on Earth in pairs on a homemade ark he built out of Cypress. i don't care. No one has ever held a gun to my head and said you better believe this or else. No one has ever threatened a job, or getting a car loan...or anything at all unless I swore myself to fundamentalist Christianity. I went nearly two decades without setting foot in a Church of any sort. I"ll tell you what I don't believe...it's these militant asshat atheists claiming their life is somehow ruined because of fundamentalist Christianiy. They are whining little babies. No one else cares..because most of us who are actually intelligent and don't just pretend to be know full well the good that Christianity brings to the World. What does the atheist argue? The Crusades...yes something that occurred in the 12 Century.... hello...McFly! It's the 21st Century... Christians are not throwing gays off of roof tops, they are not forcing you to attend Church against your will, they are not forcing you to be educated in a Bible based curriculum....you can lead a very secular life if you so choose. I know, because I did it. Oh sure, maybe in a few conversations, a Christian can get pushy about accepting their beliefs...so can a salesman at the car dealership. It's called the 1st Amendment. We have freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. Our government institutions are free of religious influences...our public educaion system is free of religious influences. So what exactly is the problem? Is it the whole gay thing? Christians don't condone gay marriage...yes I can see how your life is ruined because a Christian bakery won't make a queer cake for you. Boo freaking hoo..more 1st World problems. So do continue to make asshats out of yourselves, condemning something as benign as Christian fundamentalism, while extremist Islam is actually killing people over their faith. I notice these asshats don't have the balls to make a video on Youtube about the Qur'an. They'd be hunted down and killed...but they attack fundamentalism all they want because they know it is benign....they know nothing will happen. Yet at the same time they claim Fundamentalist Christianity is a threat. Cowards.
That isn't what the source is saying. Lets see what Time Magazine has to say about it Source: http://time.com/2868283/subterranean-ocean-reservoir-core-ringwoodite/ At this point, you're just arguing against facts and other scientists.
Who does a gay couple have more to fear from, taking away their rights? 1. some Sharia-loving Muslim? 2. Scott Walker becoming President of the United States, given Walker came out for a Constitutional Amendment to ban gay marriage, to pander to Fundamentalist Christians? - - - Updated - - - You'll only discuss "facts"....that you like.....and ignore facts, that work against you. - - - Updated - - - What WORD do we use for Noah's Flood? "Myth"? "Legend"? "Tall Tale"? "Extreme exaggeration of a historical event"? I'm asking you, so that we can discuss it on YOUR terms.
Your child is forced to learn "creation science" in schools.....lots of other American children are as well. Meanwhile, the rest of the world's children in industrialized nations learn about evolution. Bio-technology is going to be (even more than now) THE key industry of the 21st Century. Which country's educated youth will hold more of an advantage? A. Europe, Russia, Asia's youth who are taught evolution and mutation? B. America's youth who are taught that "Life on Earth is exactly the way it was when God created it in 4004 BC"? Throw in geology as well.....who will an Oil Company hire to find new deposits of petroleum? The geology major who was taught the Earth is millions of years old and carbon fuel was created by a long, slow process that can be examined and thus deposits of carbon fuel can be discovered using that same science? or will they hire the geology major who was taught "God put the oil in the ground 6000 years ago....we just have to guess where His Divine Providence put it"?
No, I'm arguing against a would-be crafty quote miner. You pick quotations that you think support your "argument" while ignoring the rest, such as: "It’s possible that water from this enormous reservoir oozed to the surface." "The depth of the phenomenon — 700 km below the mantle, which is the layer of hot rock underneath the surface — is also the perfect temperature and pressure for water to ooze out of the ringwoodite “almost as if it’s sweating,” Jacobsen says."
Perhaps it is because they see it as the fundamentalists do, as being literal, instead of a book about spiritual things? That they would sink themselves into the fundamentalist camp speaks to their own fundamentalism in their arguments. Neither camp seems to be able to move past the idea that man has used myths, fantastical stories, to teach of something else, beyond the literal word. I do not imagine you find many atheists that can appreciate poetry either. They would miss the meaning, the deeper meaning that comes from a non literal interpretation of the poem. So then they could argue with the uneducated who also lack the ability to appreciate good poetry and poems. A rather dry lot, these fundamentalists.....and one has to wonder if they can even appreciate the beauty of a sunset, and the words a good poet would choose to convey it and the subjective feelings the beauty elicits. Or if their life is one bleak Monday morning after another until they finally breath the very last nihilistic breath?
S/he ignores the majority of the information in his/her own sources, facts that also quite clearly devastate the claims s/he is attempting to make. It's downright silly, really. - - - Updated - - - Nice rant, but it appears to be a little off-base. The 1st Amendment doesn't protect Christians from having their silly beliefs challenged.
He/she will discuss the "possibility" of vast, "world-covering" water buried in the Earth's crust.... but ask a basic question about the Flood like.... How did coral reefs survive the Flood under FIVE MILES of extra water, that would have left the coral reefs in total darkness....under tremendous pressure...and bone-chilling cold for upto a year? And THAT discussion of "the flood waters" will quickly be dismissed or ignored....certainly not debated.
Heh, I hadn't even given thought to the corals. Hey, what about all the saltwater- and freshwater-only species of marine life? All that extra water would have wreaked havoc with the ocean's salinity, and of course all bodies of fresh water would have been temporarily wiped out completely. The story doesn't claim that Noah preserved all those poor critters on his boat. Not that they would have survived cooped up in containers on a ship for that long anyway!
There are DOZENS of simple, basic, logical, scientific questions the Literalist won't discuss....because they have no answers for them. Look to my "Honest Noah's Ark" OP for many. Oh, they'll discuss the Flood ideas THEY want to talk about....practiced or pre-packaged from "creation science" websites..... but ask them things outside their "comfort zone" and it quickly becomes "I don't know" or "Who knows?"......from people who claim to have detailed, "scientific" knowledge of the Flood and are "educating" those of us who doubt it happened. Besides the cold, dark, and crushing pressure that FIVE MILES (the height of Everest) of extra water would have on sea-life......look at what that would do to Earth's gravity and to the atmospheric pressure above the floodwaters. Simple physics shows that raising the sea-level to 29,000 feet from its present level would add more mass to the Earth. OR that the weight of that water, would collapse those "underground caverns" that QChan imagines the water originally came from.....an empty space suddenly vacuumed like that would become tectonically unstable and fall into itself. Which also means there would have been nowhere for the water to go once "God ended the Flood"....unless He built new caverns. Then go to the atmospheric pressure at Flood "sea level" for Noah, his family and the animals? The rise in water would mean gravity would COMPRESS the atmosphere at sea-level to atleast 2-3 atmospheres. Noah and his family and the animals would DIE of "the bends"....from hyper-infusion of nitrogen. OR...would it be the same atmospheric pressure as at 29,000 feet today (with God eliminating gigatons of atmosphere to keep the pressure stable)? if so...at 29,000 feet pressure?....the level a modern airliner flies at?...Noah, his family, and the animals would DIE from lack of oxygen.
What does it matter if the water oozed out or not? The water is clearly not trapped. Do you not understand this? You said the water is trapped, I'm saying it's not. What is there to debate here?
No, I (and your provided sources) have said that the water has (hypothetically) seeped out very slowly through vulcanism, not that it was "trapped" never to escape. You apparently wish to contend that water existing theoretically hundreds of miles below molten rock in the earth's mantle somehow came gushing up all at once to contribute to a catastrophic global flood as claimed in the Genesis account. I'm telling you that is impossible.
There are indeed underground sources of water, which is sensible since we have evidence, our position is to cover the surface of the Earth even to the height of Mt. Ararat to the height listed in the Delude account would kill all living things on the planet needed for life to continue plants, micro organisms, most sea life including coral and scour the surface in addition to this the wave action would cause waves likely hundreds of feet high in a wooden box with no steering and propulsion on the surface it wouldn't survive. And if they did animal life would die off without proper populations. And explain this if this happened when Literalists say how did the animals spread out and individualize so much and human population grow to where it is in such a short time? And add to this to get a stable population of a species demands at least a few dozen of them or close cousins (modern man did mate with our near relatives) to spread and be genetically sound. We are saying the whole account is scientifically impossible not to even take into account where the water came from or went. And the amount of water underground if put on the surface wouldn't cause such a flood your talking a massive amount of water, unless you invoke magic, then if so please stop making a scientific case its not working.
Are you kidding? The amount of water found is 3 times the amount of all the 7 seas COMBINED! You're saying it couldn't flood the surface? ROFLMAO!! No. I'm not suggesting that at all. The ringwoodite would explain where all the water went after the flood. The dead things and the sheer number of fossils showing no signs of scavenging or erosion - and fossils found in mountains that show no signs of erosion at all that are out in the open (fossils that are billions of years old out in the open on top of mountains with no sign of erosion? Even a blind man can see the problem with that!). Canyons found everywhere without any deltas to be found, and sedimentary rock (which is rock you see in the ocean) bent in 90 degree angles is evidence that a large world-wide cataclysm happened. Over 500 cultures say there was a flood, which seems to match with what we see. Now, we have a huge reservoir of water underneath the Earth's crust which is 3 times the size of all of the earth's oceans combined.... Then here come the skeptics... "There's no evidence." It's a beyond being a joke at this point. It's point-blank denial.
Even the largest christian religion Roman Catholic disagrees with you. As do many other christian denominations. What Does the Church Teach about Noahs Ark? CE EDITORS Dear Catholic Exchange: My daughter's 6th grade catechist told the class that the Noah's Ark story of the Bible is a myth. What is the Catholic belief? I watched a documentary on the Discovery Channel that showed part of what they thought was the Ark. The teacher told her it couldn't be true, because he couldn't have built that big of a boat in those days; it would've taken too long. Thanks for your response. Christine Seel Dear Christine: The Church has no dogmatic views one way or another. Huge floods were common in ancient Mesopotamia, so the Noah story could well have a basis in fact (see, for instance, the colossal flood) in antiquity. Nor is the problem of a world-destroying flood so problematic if humanity was confined to a fairly small geographical area. Bottom line: We don't know enough to make very many confident proclamations about how much of the Noah story is to be taken as scientific fact, particularly since the author of Genesis had no interest in writing science. Mark Shea Senior Content Editor Catholic Exchange http://catholicexchange.com/what-does-the-church-teach-about-noahs-ark
I would say stories based on actual events with exaggerations, those exaggerations are used in oral traditions so that story does not get lost. So in my opinion these stories are older then the written word.
Because then they take other stories from the bible and try to make laws from them. Ask any LGBT person about this. In todays world. Or the supposed witches from centuries ago. It is very dangerous to let lunatics control the ward.
Mount Everest, its the highest peak in the world and the waters went over this even so that's a massive amount of water. Even if you dump the internal stored waters to this it would also cover land areas that would use of ocean volume and worse still kill off everything on Earth including plants and with no plants life dies. Again if your arguing GOAD DID IT fine that's faith stop trying to argue science. And again there is no evidence sufficient to demonstrate such a flood or its aftermath. What is it a diabolic plot by almost every scientist to hide some Great Deluge a number of the ones refuting it also religious people. And another question how did the humans breath even people native to the area acclimated to less oxygen need oxygen tanks to operate at that height you do know that.
interesting about the rainbow.... the previou flood story had a God with a Bow and this new modified version a rainbow .
It's partly that. Then the tone used by these self righteous hypocrites. Invoking hate with the very words they choose. And you have the ball to call atheists ass hats. LOL.
Oh yes! As I recall, they commented that the rainbow being a sign of the covenant made much more sense with Asher as the god, since Asher was known to carry a bow (not an uncommon feature for ancient gods, is it?). It ceases to make sense when the god is changed to YHWH, who carries naught but a massive chip on his shoulder
