GOP should be tried for economic treason...

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  1. One Mind

    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and the whole lot of them hung, along with the dems who joined in with them.

    For the fact is, the only way a consumption based economy can provide jobs, living wage jobs for its own people, is to do what we had the sanity to do, until the treasonous GOP came back into power in 1981. The engine for jobs can only be our own people making what they consume. For all of our jobs are based upon making what we consume And if you take that away, as the GOP free trade has taken it away, you can no longer provide for the people, by them having jobs to care for themselves. And there is no way in hell, anyone can escape this basic law.

    The fact that we have 93 million americans that will never have a living wage job again indicts the GOP for treason against the American population. And they knew what they were doing when they allowed offshoring, while allowing MNCs to retain full market access. They knew it would increase poverty, and hollow out our middle class, but they do not care about anyone but the only people they represent, our elites, corporations banksters. And this free trade scheme was for one purpose, to max out profits of a small group even as it took away the economic engine that provided the wages needed for our own people to thrive

    This is indeed treasonous criminal behavior and all of these treasonous men should be tried for the crime the committed.

    We need to conduct citizen arrests and bring these criminals to justice.

    But that isn't enough for these treasonous bastards, no indeed. After gutting our people of their living wage jobs, offshoring our job creating engines which left millions jobless, and millions working 2 to 3 part time min wage jobs which they need foodstamps in order to feed their kids, this same treasonous group of men and those that still vote them back in, are not happy yet. They desire now to get rid of every social net that we have, after cutting them to the bone, after millions were driven to those nets due to their jobs being sent away so our rich could max out their profits, and just so they can lower the taxes on that same group that moved our jobs to a communist nation who got used to starving and would work for 50 cents an hour, serving the greed.

    Hanging from oak trees is too good for them. We need to drop them off in the middle of an ISIS stronghold,and allow them to see what their actions in the middle east has created. And thereby ridding our nation of these treasonous vermin.

    So like Gomer Pyle on Andy Griffith, we need to go to DC and holler Citizens arrest, and take them into custody. Anyone with me?

    For the GOP voters, and the dem voters who put back in the people who voted with the GOP on this treasonous behavior, we will have to give them amnesty. For we cannot indict them simply because they were stupid and did not listen to Perot. We do need to send them back to school so the most basic law of domestic job creation economics can be taught to them. It is hard to believe that they thought we could give away the jobs that make what we consume, in our consumption based economy, without not having enough jobs for our own people. That they were so stupid as to think you could dip half the water from a pail, and have that water to magically appear is hard to believe, but obvioiusly that is exactly what the right wing propaganda convinced them to believe.

    We need a new, NEW DEAL, and a leader like Sanders, with a huge grassroots movement to reverse the decisions made by our corporations, our banksters, working in collusion with these men in the GOP who committed treason by giving away our job engine. I think more and more people are finally beginning to realize their reality, and the treason, the unthinkable treason that actually caused it. Which is again, breaking a fundamental law when it comes to having an economy that has to provide the people with jobs, making what they consume. You cannot weasel out of that basic truth.
     
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    Obama must be a Republican.
     
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    1. Clinton (a Democrat) was the mastermind of NAFTA.

    2. Obama (a Democrat) was the mastermind of the Trans-Pacific Partnership free-trade deal.

    3. Democrats have destroyed more American jobs, and handed them over to other countries with their support of DOMESTIC outsourcing (AKA immigration)

    Welcome to the real world
     
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    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I live in that real world. I included most of the dems in with the GOP. The dems under Clinton joined the GOP's Neoliberalism, and turned their backs on the common man that they had represented before Clinton joined the GOP and their neoliberalism.

    So today you have the corporate democratic party and the corporate GOP,yet the GOP brought this back in 1981.

    Again, the fact. In order for a consumption based economy to generate jobs, we have to make what we consume. For not to do that creates the inability to keep your own people employed, with a living wage. That is just a basic law, and breaking it will continue to make it impossible for much of America to earn a living without safety nets that the GOP wants to take away after they allowed millions of jobs to be sent to a communist state.
     
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    Obama encouraged an obscene national debt of 11 trillion dollars to skyrocket up to 18 trillion on his watch and it's known that he actually wants to see it hit at least 20 trillion before he slithers his way out of office. So I really don't see where the Left and all these inveterate Obama worshipers get off blaming the Right for Obama's deliberate screwing of this nation and its future into the ground.
     
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    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He is a neoliberal, as was Clinton. As is most of the GOP who brought this back.
     
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    You are misdirecting. If you want to talk about Obama in reference to this thread, the point would be he want TPP, as 99 percent of the GOP does, which is neoliberalism, maxing out the profits of the elites by allowing them 50 cent an hour labor, while retaining the right to sell those goods back here. Which takes away americans making what they consume, which is the only way a consumption based economy provides for the people in this nation.

    In regards to debt, you will drive up debt when you take away jobs here that didn't need welfare in order to survive. So all of this is interrelated to the gutting out of America, of her jobs, that paid living wages.

    That giant sucking sound Perot tried to warn the people about, has come true, and it was a choice, made by the GOP under Bush Sr which Clinton then signed, as he committed treason against working americans and the middle class, for a consumption based economy only works for the people when they are making what they consume, and anyone that would change that is guilty of treason against the ability of our people to earn their living without having to depend on welfare.
     
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    Very strange.

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    Things are really going to suck for the Millennials. They're going to get stuck with the bill.
     
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    What is strange in giving the elites what they want when they finance your election? You think the rich just throw away their money for (*)(*)(*)(*)s and giggles, or are they buying something for those millions? You never get rich by throwing millions away. So, they are investing, and expect to get more back than they spend.

    TPP and even ACA is evidence that Obama is a corporate owned stooge. Follow where the profits lead. The majority are against TPP yet the dems and the repubs couldn't care less about what the People want, and only about what the banksters, corporations and elites want, for they paid for it in the last election.

    Read the results of the Princeton Study which laid out the hard evidence. You won't find any coverage to speak of in the media of course. For if they did, it might enlighten voters as to the fact they are not being represented, only the neoliberals are.
     
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    I wish I could disagree with you.
     
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    No one can logically rationally disagree with the fact that an economic model that is based upon consumption has to use its own people in order that those people have jobs, to buy what they are producing in goods and services. This is how we employed our own, and it played a role in developing our historical sized middle class, and American prosperity of average people.

    So if someone thinks they can remove the people from making what they and others consume here, and still provide prosperity and jobs for the people, they are thinking irrationally and are totally disconnected from basic intelligence. Making what we consumed is what created our prosperity for regular people from the get go. It is what provided living wage jobs. Than anyone would think you can gut that out, and still see a healthy nation with a large middle class, and enough jobs is just mired up in incoherence. It is not possible. You cannot finesse it.

    So we need to look long and hard at what allowed the gutting, the hollowing out of America, and that is quite easy to see. We basically had politicians who didn't care if the people could prosper by their work, or have living wage jobs, they only cared to allow the elites to max out their profits, even as it had to impoverish the people, and devastate us, forcing people onto social safety nets just to survive. And that is treason, to do that, in order for the rich to get richer, and destroying the prosperity that we had by our own work, making what we consumed.

    And this was a choice, to do what has been done to americans. Make no mistake about that.
     
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    I suspect the time for choice has come and gone. The past can't be restored. America is no exception to that rule.
     
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    Wrong. FDR changed us back to sanity, and all it takes is a grassroots to support it and keep supporting it. The neoliberal politicians just want us to think that we cannot change it by choosing not to continue in this insanity. But it will take the right president, and with the people standing behind him, for once these jackwagons committed this coup, they have become even more powerful. But as long as people can vote, we have the power to reverse this, and correct what these neoliberals destroyed.

    Since this current model cannot stand, as it will only get worse for most americans, there will be a change, either at the ballot box or by violent revolution. It seems that the greed driven do not have time to read the history of humanity, or they would never be so stupid as to think they could pull this off, again. For we have seen this before, and its just an old ploy with a new name.
     
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    You're wrong. History has moved on from America. Americans of this era are too poorly educated to work at anything other than natural resource extraction. The powers that be won't permit that to occur. So Americans will simply become increasingly dependent on Big Govt./Big Business and will be progressively less free.
     
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    Yes and with a definitive understanding of what Obama really meant and was actually talking about back in 2008 when he kept bellowing "Hope and Change!" He didn't mean it in a good way.
     
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    No he didn't. What Obama meant is that the Millennials will be hoping for change...as in spare change. As a group, Millennials are downwardly mobile. They get what they voted for.
     
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    we all have , there are really no (R)'s or (D)'s that I would vote for as of now . I will vote a protest vote for a 3rd Party
     
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    I'll vote on bond issues, but that's about it. There certainly is no reason to vote for president. It's simply a contest between two wings of the Establishment. One wing is pro-life, and the other is pro-choice. Neither wing is pro-working person.
     
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    Again, the only way a nations people can thrive is to make what they consume. It only becomes uneducated work when corporations want to exploit the poor outside of the US, to max out their profits. We used to have the value of a fair days work for a fair days pay. Now the meme has been changed to the opposite, and work that makes the owners billions in profits is devalued.

    We did move on, but we regressed to an earlier time before we create the largest middle class in the world, by people being paid a living wage in making what they consumed. We regressed when Reagan came in, and reverted us back to neoliberalism, which only enriches the top, but it is not sustainable, for it leads to revolution, violence, unless we can change it back at the ballot box.

    American are driven to social safety nets when you do not allow them to make what they consume. Of course the GOP wants to reduce taxes on the rich, so they can cut out social safety nets. They want to regress to an earlier American that FDR had to change to save capitalism.

    And we will either change this insanity, or America will come apart internally at the seams, as we were doing during the great depression. Obviously the GOP and man dems have an aversion to reading our own history. So the GOP repeats the same actions as they did in the 20s and expect different results. That is the definition of insanity.
     
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    Sanders is pro working people, and always has been. The democratic party and the GOP are not. Which is why he is telling people a president has to have a big grassroots movment to support him representing the working people and the middle class, or nothing changes. Obama said thanks for the vote, but I will handle it from here, although he never intended on doing anything but paying back the big donors in corporations, wall st and banking. He is a neoliberal, as all the big money candidates have to be to get those billions spent on campaigns.
     
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    I like Sanders' honesty, but there is a problem with any new president. Everything has a context including America. If Sanders became president he would be constrained in the same fashion as his predecessors. The rhetoric might be different, but the actions would follow a familiar pattern.
     
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    Collapse of the US is what the future holds in store. The country is coming apart on many different levels. There will always be an America in the sense it is a place, but the sun will set on the society and polity called the United States. There will be successor states in what is now the US. Perhaps some of them will have better luck.
     
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    If you have listened to him, you then know he has spoken of one man as president not being able to affect the change needed unless the grassroots that put him into office sticks with him, and continue the movement onward. For the power of the elites, who own the media is just too great. But the people do have the means to create this change, and we saw this with FDR and those that stood behind him. So one man in the oval office cannot do much, but with the grassroots sticking with him, and then Sanders getting on the soap box and making this the issue of his presidency can affect change. But granted, it is a tremendously hard thing to do given what the people are up against, the power of wealth upon a political system. Yet we have already done this once, with FDR, and there is no reason why it cannot be done again.
     
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    Yes, if someone like Sanders and the people who support him cannot change America back to something resembling sanity, we will come apart, which is what was happening during the great depression. But that generally does bring enough people back to their senses, to do the right thing, and the right thing is the reverse of what we are doing today. We will have to get back to having an economic model that actually is an engine of job creation for the population here, instead of being an economy devised only to send more income to the top, by replacing our own people with slave labor elsewhere.

    We already know how to have an economy that supplies the essential jobs to our people. For we used that for all of our history, until this neoliberalism was brought back by Reagan in 1981, which destroyed the economic model that actually provided for our people. And its not like the owners did not prosper and build themselves more wealth, they just could not max it out by exporting our jobs to cheap labor as they retain access to our markets to sell those goods. That our politicians allowed this to happen is basic treason, weakening this nation even as it made a few richer. It was and is insanity, but greed always does insane things.
     
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    FDR ran America when it had an industrial base. That industrial base is now in China.
     

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