Analysis: US-Turkey deal on Syria a big gamble

The Kurds have a large population in the bordering areas of Turkey, Syria, Iran and Iraq, so if you are going to call them nomads, then what do you consider everyone else?

 

Minerva there are five thousand Kurds in this video protesting in Cologne. You said they reject the PKK, do they really, or are they saying it because they don't want to be killed, or maybe even gassed by the Turkish army.(That comes from Carla Ponti of the UN).



[video=youtube;YcWEl6VPyOg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=78&v=YcWEl6VPyOg[/video]

 

Sounds like a feeding frenzy
or am i missing somethin'

 

Just a lot of reports and opinions as to what's going on. If you read the thread on the Brookings report, then you will know exactly what's going on: Chaos, just the way Washington wants it. Bunch of sociopaths. You should see the poor refugees and what they're going through. They're coming in by the thousands everyday on the Greek islands. It's starting to look like WWII all over again.

 

TAKE RAQQA BATTLEPLAN



This is my political and military plan to put the squeeze on the so-called "Islamic State" / ISIS / ISIL / Daesh operational capital at Raqqa, Syria.

1) The Turkish army invades Syria with an armoured column west and south of the Euphrates and attacks Raqqa from the south, also blocking the east and west routes to Raqqa.

2) The Euphrates Volcano - a joint operations room for the Royava Kurds YPG / YPJ and the Free Syrian Army - cut off Raqqa to the north, bottling ISIS fighters up in Raqqa or in other bolt holes to the east and north of the Euphrates.

Euphrates Volcano - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

3) The Turks and / or the Euphrates Volcano YPG / YPJ / FSA take Raqqa, clearing it street to street, mopping up ISIS forces.

I appreciate that the Turks have not yet committed to invading Syria with their army and neither have the Euphrates Volcano, YPG / FSA asked for such Turkish intervention.

So I think it is really going to take NATO to suggest such a collaboration, because neither side would wish to admit needing the other to defeat ISIS, I expect.

Diplomacy is not my strong suit but if these forces can be persuaded diplomatically to work together then liberating Raqqa from ISIS should be straight-forward enough, militarily speaking.

Now a word or two about the politics.

A solution for SYRIA too

We should support the rights of Sunni-majority areas to establish a Sunni-majority state, partitioned from Iraq and / or Syria but modelled not after Saudi Arabia's oppressive religious police Sunni state but rather as a secular, democratic state (approximated imperfectly by Turkey with its majority Sunni population), which could be part of a stable solution, acceptable to world powers.

However, to get there, we must first defeat ISIS and al-Qaeda and put irresistible pressure on Arab states to support a peace solution for Iraq and Syria, perhaps with Arab state regular armies invading Syria and Iraq to enforce a peace settlement along partition lines agreed at the United Nations with NATO acting as a military police force, directing Arab armies here and there.

Such a peace would be workable and stable, rather than as now with the Arab states' proxy terrorists failing to enforce a non-agreed imposed terrorist state.

NATO

The NATO military alliance met recently at NATO Headquarters in Brussels, to consider a plea from Turkey for support.

TURKS

Well if I was leading NATO, Turkey would be getting some very forceful advice behind the scenes to quit treating the PKK the same as ISIS and encouragement to seek a cease-fire with the PKK and I'd be making that distinction clear publicly as I have already done.

Since NATO statements are only agreed unanimously then it is not surprising that Turkey would not agree to the following quoted statement for publication as "the view of NATO" but there is nothing to stop the NATO Secretary General making this statement in a personal leadership capacity, except for the fact that the Secretary General is not me, but someone else.

"Turkey has been quite wrong to try to paint ISIS and the PKK with the same brush, equally as "terrorists", when the PKK have legitimate concerns about protecting Kurds from ISIS, although the PKK's attack on Turkish police officers which broke the cease-fire was ill-advised and it is unsurprising that Turkey would label such attacks as "terrorists" and a unilateral ending of the cease-fire by the PKK. Ending the cease-fire was a bad move by the PKK because cease-fires are much easier to end than they are to resume.

So Turkey had a cease-fire with the PKK and rightly so but Turkey should never have had a cease-fire with ISIS, if indeed that's what it had, it was quite wrong to have such a cease fire with ISIS.

Also, Turkey should be open minded about resuming a cease-fire with the PKK. Admittedly it takes two sides to make a cease-fire stick but at least a cease-fire should be possible with the PKK in the way it should not be possible with ISIS.

Otherwise, the suspicion will be that the Turkish state is being manipulated by those fascists who are not sincere about fighting ISIS but instead are using ISIS attacks as a pretext, conflating ISIS with anyone Kurdish or Turkish leftist, as a smokescreen for a far wider and undemocratic crackdown."​

KURDS

We are not doing the Kurds any favours by turning a blind eye to the PKK blunder providing Erdogan and the Turkish secret security fascists with the pretext for a crackdown they were likely trying to provoke - the July 22 killing by the PKK of 2 Turkish police officers.

Whatever the Kurds' or PKK's suspicions or personal convictions about Erdogan etc secretly sponsoring ISIS, it is not astute for the PKK to lash out at Turkish officers indiscriminately, because the case "Erdogan-backs-ISIS" has not been proven to NATO, to the US and allies or to the people of Turkey.

Least of all is that case made when Turkey provides the US with the use of airbases with which to attack ISIS.

Erdogan has played much too clever a game and has outwitted the PKK. They have fallen into his trap.

In future, Kurds should impress on the PKK the international political need to act with more political wisdom as prosecutors, proving their case of nefarious machinations of the secret security state of Turkey and its sponsorship of ISIS, while treating with respect those Turks, Americans, Europeans and others whom Erdogan's secret plots have deceived.

 

Money and heroin storages of PKK in Iraq is complately destroyed by air strikes. PKK is considered as one of World's biggest drug cartels.

 

8 US fighter jets and 300 personnel came to Turkey 5 hours ago.

 

European countries reject to deliver more than 300 PKK terror organization members to Turkey since years.

 

Minerva if I were Erdogan, I would be worried. Washington is not known for its loyalty, so Obama might have other reasons for the American planes. If the American troops start coming in, you better grab your guns. We're not known as the 'Empire of Chaos' for nothing.

 

Jeanette, I stopped to reply your post as long as you keep posting conspiracy theories based on your paranoid imagine World. I will reply when you post something logical and realistic.

 

You're going to be surprised when my so called conspiracy theories, turn out to be true. Just wait! You don't know Obama...

 

Connect the dots !​

I hope there will be an impartial, Congressional Investigation of the
Obama and Biden Families "wealth" these last 7 years.

Truman was so poor upon his retirement, Congress passed a special retirement for him.

 

Moi I have news for you, there is no such thing as an impartial investigation anymore. Dem days are gone forever. It's a changed country.

 

Minerva, do you think Obama will risk a show down with Russia over Syria? All Washington wants is for Muslims to keep killing one another. It's called depopulation.

 

Depopulation...

You mean, like the Russian genocide against the Ukraine?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor_in_modern_politics

Pot, meet kettle...

 

Hmmmm Borat, that’s funny. You probably meant Jewish genocide against Russians and Ukrainians led by a mad Georgian. I definitely recommend this to our fellow U.S posters here as it is painfully obvious that their history books omitted quite a lot of important facts with regard to the Soviet Union.

http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/slezkinerev.pdf

STALIN’S WILLING EXECUTIONERS - JEWS AS A HOSTILE ELITE IN THE USSR

Unfortunately Borat, pardon me, Kondor3, historical facts aren’t on your side.

Stalin's Jews
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

 

Many self professed Jews "sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity."
Since people of their mentality answered Pilate, "His blood be on us and on our children!", so as they killed the green tree, they also kill the dry branches.Luke 23:31

However, consider how Christendom has presided over a tremendous amount of suffering and death because they follow the doctrines and traditions of Esau, the Pharisees, Sadducees, Cain, and apostate Judah.

 

When your own National Genocides are challenged, simply Blame the Jews, eh?

No sale.

 

Oh no Borat, pardon me Kondor3, I don’t play blame games. I just quoted very well educated Jews; who happened to point out some irrefutable historical facts. I was shell-shocked to discover that some of the biggest mass-murders in the 20th century were the Jews. Genuinely shocked. I also didn’t know that the whole gulag system was established by the Soviet Jewish and mostly run by the Soviet Jews themselves. Stunning discovery.

You just read through it all and learn something. I’m sure Russkies committed fair share of their own crimes in history but not the ones you accused them of in this thread. During the period between 1918-1941 the Soviet Jews ruled supreme. From Cheka to GPU, from GPU to NKVD, the Gulag system, forced collectivization, the hunger etc…The Jewish elites hated both Ukrainian and Russian villagers equally.

Will you ever reach his level of enlightenment ? Or continue to be a narrow-minded bigot? The choice is yours Borat.

 

Okay : )

 

Things are getting more and more interesting in Turkey these days. What is next? I don't think that the Kurds are that stupid to attack the U.S consulate. ISIS? Probably. MIT setting up the Kurds? More likely.

Istanbul violence: Gunfire and blast in Turkish city

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33844246

 

"The Jews" were some of the biggest mass-murders in the 20th century ? lol, and you call others "bigots" , "Jews ruled supreme" over Stalin? Jews ruled Stalin ? , great stuff, the sickest ppl come to this forum hands down, I never read so much filth in one forum, but I admit that's why I like visiting here .

 

or someones held these attacks to blame it on MIT and trying to create an image lost. When we consider the half of the Turkish army, police and bureaucracy is controlled by Britain backed Gulen organization, this is a great probability.

 

The female terrorist who attacked US embassy is 51 years old DHKP-C member.

 

The suicide bomber terrorist who attacked police headquarters in accordance with US embassy attack, is a PKK member Kurdish person born Sirnak.