I realize that you were addressing Coolia here, but I have to say that I am sad about what went down at that VFW meeting. The liberal media had an agenda that they fed to their viewers for the purpose of controlling how their viewers perceived the situation, and that purpose was to do anything possible to politically assassinate a candidate who threatens their power and control. They were able to take the attention off of McCain's insult to an even larger group of vets, and focus it onto their political enemy. By doing this, the liberal media has gone further than McCain's insult and Trump's combined to insult vets. The thought of Vets at your VFW perpetuating the biased agenda of liberal media is the biggest insult to vets that I can think of. They are using us as pawns for the purpose of political gain, and they cry crocodile tears for us.
I moved this thread from members intro to elections, so that you can discuss the topic of Trump further. Intro threads are to greet new members. Shangrila Moderator
I do not think you understand. Trump basically said he don't care about POW's or to use his words, they ain't heroes. Get captured and he will let you rot. Shame on you for doing your countries duty and getting captured. He only likes the ones who were not captured. It was Trump who peed on every POW this country ever had. Trying to blame the media or someone else for what Trump said is what is really sad. But he is your candidate and I can understand that. Perhaps Trump does like the veterans and the military, if he does it is only the ones who never been captured. I sure do not want someone who turns a blind eye to our POWs and puts them down as commander n chief. Perhaps that is fine with you, but not me and not the majority of Vietnam Vets who attended our meeting.
You know what they say about people up to about age 35 voting with their feelings and those around 35 and older voting with their brains. Welcome to the sane side. Enjoy the transition.
I enjoy watching reality tv entertainer Trump wreaking havoc on Fox after Fox, as the ideological entertainment mother church, had seized control from the enfeebled political wing of the GOP. I was first bemused by his vapid shtick, as he was able to dazzle his fan base without articulating a single, detailed legislative proposal. Hilarious! How many hundreds of billions of dollars would it cost the American taxpayer to identify, track down, apprehend, incarcerate, prosecute, and deport 11-12 million men, women, and children? Hey, don't kill the joke! When he describes his replacement for the Affordable Care Act as "something terrific" is that a bit too green eye shade for his devotees? Does the US disband Congress and the Supreme Court so that the Trump's whims are not impeded by our system? Of course, it's pretty obvious that real government where specificity and accountability pertain is just not his bailiwick. If Don Rickles had delivered a scrupulous exegesis every time he spouted a nasty jibe, who would laugh? Trump's an entertainer! He's not about to impersonate a real statesman and bore his unwashed masses.
Winston Churchill: "Show me a young conservative, and I will show you somebody with no heart. Show me an old liberal, and I will show you somebody with no brains".
Yes, this is exactly what I was trying to articulate. Nobody heard McCain insult Vets, and then they fall for the progressive liberal tactic of building up a victim. McCain threw the first punch, but the liberal media is hiding who started this insulting of Vets. We have Vietnam era vets who are no longer able to process all of the media sources to see what is really going on, who rely on a small dose of news from a single source. To conceal the fact that McCain insulted so many of us vets and then portray Trump's sloppy retaliation as something that was TRULY meant as an attack against our most admired vets is downright dishonest, and is a bigger insult to vets than Trump and McCain's comments combined. I just saw you yourself skip over the fact that McCain initiated the attack on vets, and I just saw you indicate that you perceive Trump's comments as an intentional insult meant to degrade more vets than the individual one who he was attacking. This is a result of the media deceiving upstanding vets like yourself, and like those at your vfw who we respect. Trump may very well be a lousy candidate, and I deeply respect your freedom to oppose him and speak freely of it., but any media who deceives vets is my enemy.
I was conservative. Now I'm a liberal. Thing is, I haven't changed much. It's just that the conservatives have gone way right wing from when I considered myself one.
Wow, this is amazing! I have never seen a conservative backtrack to being a liberal before. When we were newborn babies screaming for our bottles, we were all liberals, it is natural. As we grow up, we learn values and gain a conscience based on what we learn from our teachers, parents, peers, church, etc, until many of us evolve to being conservatives, based on what we are taught and what we learned. One would have to forget what they were taught to devolve to being a liberal again. Every conservative was once a liberal, but you are the first one who I have ever seen who turned back. I am getting up there in my years, but maybe I should get on a bicycle and go for a ride to make sure I can still remember how to ride one. Maybe you can shine some light on the GOP for me. I have noticed that the GOP these days have a lot of folks claiming to be Republicans and conservatives, but they talk, vote, and act like liberals. I helped Republicans win a midterm landslide, but when they took power, they devolved to being liberals. I had just assumed that the liberals had infiltrated the GOP so that they would win either way in an election, but maybe they actually devolved?
Number of us who used to be members of the GOP left in the 80's when it became the Religious Right Party. As the saying goes, my party left me, I didn't leave it. We really need an economically conservative, socially liberal party.
Welcome. This forum is not as nit-picky as others. So as long as don't get too personal, you should like it here.
Whatever, I expect no less and this all reminds me of how we were treated when we returned to the states from Vietnam. So if McCain said supporters of Trump are crazy, what is the big deal. McCain isn't running. Trump could have attack a thousand and one wrong things and mistakes McCain did and made as a senator. Instead he attacks him as a POW. That is on Trump. If you are okay with that, that is fine. I do not know whom I will support yet, I haven't made up my mind. But one thing is for sure, it will not be someone who doesn't give a dang about our POWs.
I'm certainly not the only one. When I was younger, being a conservative meant you believed in a balanced budget. We needed lower taxes, you didn't have to be a fundamentalist Christian, and the Republican party stood for more than just enriching the 1% as much as possible at the expense of the rest of the nation. As I said, my views haven't changed that much. It just that folks who call themselves conservatives' have move to what was then the lunatic fringe RW.
Of course, many conservatives have falsely accused Churchill of this statement or some variation on it, and no doubt will persist in doing so. Historian Paul Addison noted, "Surely Churchill can't have used the words attributed to him. He'd been a Conservative at 15 and a Liberal at 35!"
Hard to believe it has to be explained (AGAIN), but it doesn't matter in the slightest if McCain is running for anything. He currently holds office and he insulted those who put him there. He called them crazies. I'm pretty sure his voters were crazy to vote for him, but I don't think that's what he meant.
Whist there are some who progress in doing so, after age 20, you lose about a gram of brain mass per year, so your retrogressive pattern may be far more common. Nevertheless, a youth raised in a very conservative, fundamentalist community but shows intellectual potential will often have his horizons extended by a liberal arts college education and achieve a breadth of perspective previously denied to him. Thus, the best-educated states and worst-educated states come to vote as one would expect, abrogating whether the individual voter is in the prime of life and sharp as a tack or an dottering geezer. .
So you went from voting for Ronald Reagan twice as a "conservative" to complaining about how his policies have destroyed the Middle Class as a liberal without changing much? Makes perfect sense.
He only called the crazies "crazies." He would have had no effective means of preventing some crazies from voting for him, nor would he have done. A vote is a vote - even when it's a crazy's.
"...reminds me of how we were treated when we returned to the states from Vietnam..." This worries me a bit. As much as I respect the Vets who served before I did, neither your generation nor my generation is above using our respected status for political gain. We have all gone different directions politically, but I think that it is important that we have respect for each of our fellow vets' political opinions. It is a very big burden on a person to have their political opinion compared to such an unjust time as what your generation experienced upon your return. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that what you have said was meant to express just how passionate you are about your political position, since we, as vets, should give each other this respect.. On that note, it would appear that you are backing up McCain's assertion that the large group of us vets who have been labeled as crazies is indeed accurate, and that there is no need to address his insult to us since it is valid. I can't change your mind on this, but I would like to remind you of how it feels to serve, to see horrific things, and then have your countrymen and even other vets imply that you are a crazy when you get back to the States.
Oh cool, there is no one here who share your beliefs. I was just thinking about how this board needs more right wing outrage.
The entertainment wing of the GOP, of which Fox is the mother church, has now usurped the purview of the political wing. Ideological radio celebrities command the allegiance of the unwashed masses, whilst actual, elected Republicans in congress receive 17% approval/73% disapproval. Trump is running to be King of Kardashiana, not President of the United States. It's show biz!
Think as you will. Has Trump joined this newsweek guy calling for the lowering of the POW flag yet? You keep mentioning McCain said vets for trump are crazy, so I googled it. Here is what McCain did say: McCain: Trump really fired up “the crazies” in Arizona with his immigration talk. Nothing about Vets there. But be that as it may, you like Trump, I don't and a good many other vets don't. At least around here. They don't trust him and Trump has only himself to blame.
