Birthright Citizenship NOT Granted under 14th Amendment

no, they do not represent an enemy army.

they're just individuals, acting as individuals, to find work in the USA.

its very silly to compare them to an army of invasion.

 

So then Invading Mexicans who cross our border without permission are a foreign force attacking the US.

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Guerrilla force, out of uniform.

 

lol!! even more silly.

 

Try not notifying an accused person, whose jurisdiction is another country, his/her right to representation from their home country. What some are claiming is, the parents of a newborn, are of another counties jurisdiction, but the child is not. That's probably against international law, to take away the newborns right to his/her homeland and no country on this planet would support the act. What can be legal are registrations, which were common after States annexations, as they occurred.

In Texas, thousands of "Certificates of Birth" (opposed to BC) were denied legal citizenship rights as "Midwife's were found complicate in filing false certificates. In the 70's, living in South Texas, for 100.00, I could get any person, ages of 2 day's to 100 YO, a certificate of birth, even knowing that person was born outside the US and the BC to prove it, in hand.

 

Good intelligent response.... yawn

 

you sure about that???

The United States, like 170 other countries around the world, is party to the VCCR(Vienna Convention on Consular Relations). The VCCR ensures that individuals who are detained in a foreign country can receive access to and assistance from their embassies and consulates overseas in order to navigate foreign legal systems or otherwise get the assistance that they need.

 

Your citation states the same phrase (“and subject to the jurisdiction thereof”) as did the Senate transcript when the AMENDMENT was being written and debated. Trust me when I tell you the WRITERS of the AMENDMENT knew what it was to mean as much as you know what YOUR posts are meant to mean...

 

Ignoring history:

However, concerning the children born in the United States to parents who are not U.S. citizens (and not foreign diplomats), three senators, including Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lyman Trumbull, the author of the Civil Rights Act, as well as President Andrew Johnson, asserted that both the Civil Rights Act and the 14th Amendment would confer citizenship on them at birth, and no senator offered a contrary opinion.[48][49][50]

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And you don't need help with foreign legal systems if their laws don't apply to you...

 

Not for 14A purposes, they aren't.

Then "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" could be excised from the citizenship clause without changing its meaning in the least. You get that, right?

Whoops, guess not.

 

Except they aren't. You can call them space aliens if you want but it doesn't make it true

 

They can get services from foreign consulates, but they are still completely under US jurisdiction because French or Dutch or Indonesian law (etc) has NO standing in the US.

 

Meaning what?

 

Well obviously, they dont apply to illegals, duh.....

Illegal deported five times who shot woman: I came back to San Francisco because it was a sanctuary city



lol, Democrats already shot em in the back.....

 

Yes .. and you should have been taught in 7th grade civics what "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means. Its very simple and straightforward.

 

Ah, if the 7th grade civics classes teaches the children ANYTHING other than what was historically discussed during the writing and debating of the AMENDMENT they are lying to the children and should be fired!

 

Except they are, they are crossing our border in huge numbers without our permission. Many cases of them firing at our patrols and helicopters. Moving contraband that poisons our citizens. Many times under organization of Cartels who basically run N Mexico. Yes they are invaders, and I would go as far as enemy combatants no different then ISIS. If it were up to me we would have a shoot on sight order.

 

And sanctuary city laws mean those illegals are not subject to American laws.

The 14th amendment does not apply to them.

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False, Sanctuary city laws protect them from American laws.

They are not subject to the jurisdiction of American law.

 

You might want to let the Supreme Court know they've been wrong all this time......http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=407716&p=1065006608#post1065006608

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All persons, doesn't mean former slaves. Sorry

 

I think its quite telling how you deny laws specifically to protect African Americans in favor of illegal aliens......

Very telling indeed....

 

Plyler v doe. EVERYONE inside US borders is subject to our jurisdiction except foreign diplomats or invading armies.

 

He was convicted of several crimes. Are you calling for those convictions to be overturned and saying he should get immunity for murder?

 

Trespassers are not an invading army.

 

However, concerning the children born in the United States to parents who are not U.S. citizens (and not foreign diplomats), three senators, including Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lyman Trumbull, the author of the Civil Rights Act, as well as President Andrew Johnson, asserted that both the Civil Rights Act and the 14th Amendment would confer citizenship on them at birth, and no senator offered a contrary opinion.[48][49][50]

 

Yet again there is a difference between legal and illegal immigration. Why does the left have such an issue with such a simple concept?

 

Plyler v doe. They most certainly are.

No it wouldn't.

You guessed wrong.