Why Liberals Are More Intelligent Than Conservatives

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by DennisTate, Jun 7, 2015.

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Does becoming more well informed make you more "liberal?"

  1. Yes I have found that this is happening in my own views.

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  2. No. the "liberals" I know are lunatics!

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  3. Yes. the conservative movement is based on "don't work - no food!"

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  4. No. Dr. Ben Carson is proof a brilliant person can be conservative.

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  1. SpaceCricket79

    SpaceCricket79 New Member Past Donor

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    Some people are "left wing" simply because they're poor, uneducated and vote Democrat just because they want welfare or increased wages.

    There's even a segment of highly religious fundamentalists, especially blacks and some HIspanics who vote Democrat for the welfare alone, or just because they believe Republicans are the party of racism.
     
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    I had to laugh when I read the poll results. The most popular response was obviously by conservatives that voted for "No…. the "liberals" I know are lunatics!"

    The selection itself is based upon ignorance. It's anecdotal based upon a personal experience ("I know") as opposed to scientific knowledge and that is reflective of low intelligence.

    Of course the linkage to low intelligence and social conservative values is already established scientifically. The general foundation for this is that social conservatives seek simplistic answers as opposed to complex solutions. For example they often accept the Bible's definition of what's right or wrong rather than trying the think through this and coming to their own conclusions. If they had to actually "think" they would be opposed to many declarations of what's "wrong" in the Bible but thinking is a complex process and they want the simplistic answer to their question. Seeking the simply answer is reflective of low intelligence because the person is generally incapable of reaching and understanding complex solution to the question.

    That's why so many "conservatives" deny AGW because understanding it is complex. That's why so many "conservatives" deny racial discrimination and oppression because understanding it is complex. That's why so many conservatives are anti-abortionists because understanding the "Rights of the Woman that is a Person" is complex. When it comes to complexity many conservatives are simply lost because they don't have the intelligence to understand complexity.

    The simple anwser is literally a self-defense mechanism for low intelligence that cannot deal with complexity.
     
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    That's not what I said, although some Christians are in fact bigots and some gays are in fact victims. This isn't hate but a fact.

    What I said was believing in a bigoted part of scripture is bigotry. Bigotry needs to be eradicated especially the kind that use religion as a shield.

    No, I played the karma card.

    So again think long and hard where the root of the problem is. It's not too different from the reason people hate race supremacists.
     
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    If the G. O. P. were to take another honest look at the history of USA central banking policy............... they could become the party that releases trillions of dollars of paper wealth into the economy from 2017 to 2033......... and...... it is theoretically possible to connect that paper wealth to real wealth in some quite solid forms, ( such as documentary, reality and semi-reality science fiction film projects that address real problems that people in America and all around the world are facing)?!


    http://www.michaeljournal.org/lincolnkennedy.htm
    Melvin Sickler:
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    http://www.christianforums.com/thre...-should-each-have-their-own-currency.7701455/
    North American churches should each have their own currency!

    I am of the belief that each large church in North America should discuss the printing up of their own church currency unit such as has been done by a group of socially active citizens in Calgary, Canada with their CalgaryDollars.ca
    Surely everybody who reads this article would agree that we have many advantages over the people who lived in Worgl, Austria during the Great Depression?!

    If they can do it....why can't we?

    Here in Canada the only problem that we have to watch out for is that we must pay the same rate of taxation if we earn Calgary Dollars as if we had earned Canadian dollars....so we have to keep our level of bartering at the point where our tax bill doesn't get to high.....but if we volunteered our time and our church earned a local currency from another church....it could be amazing where this could lead!

    .......One of the most obvious ways to use a church currency would be to give an offer to homeless people in your area....to become actors who play the role of homeless people being assisted by your church to address their specific situation!

    People with a drug or alcohol problem...could be come actors playing the role of themselves....and they could be paid in church dollars for the time that they put into your film project?!

    http://www.christianforums.com/t7681433/

    Concepts for reality, semi-reality and documentary films that address social issues!
    I am firmly convinced that it is possible for Christians to use films to address specific problems in our modern world in such a way that many lives are changed and Christianity itself comes to be viewed in a much more positive way!
     
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    That's because in America "social conservatism" is immediately associated with Puritanism or religious fundamentalism.

    On the flip side a person who isn't in favor of teenagers receiving hormone therapy and eventually having their genitals removed would be considered "socially conservative" by the far left - even though actual psychology does agree that gender confusion is a symptom of other mental disorders as well, and the possibility of misdiagnosis is all to real.

    On the other hand assuming that if "some psychiatrist" says so it must be true is a sign of low-critical thought.
     
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    If our religious beliefs pressure us to confine perhaps 50% of our reading to one book.............even if that book is fairly large......... it is pretty obvious how this could lead to somebody being less well informed than somebody who reads widely.

    In my own life......... some books dramatically altered my world view.......
    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fans...rmed-by-his-NDE/191167700916034?ref=bookmarks
    Fans of Christian Andreason! I was transformed by his NDE.

    http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/
     
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    Yes..... the Apostle Paul was guided powerfully by the Holy Spirit but he was merely human............ and he was affected by his culture and by what he had been taught as a child.

    1Timothy 2:12
    "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."

    Christian visionary Pastor Rick Joyner met the Apostle Paul in a visionary dream of heaven that was given to him back in 1995. In my opinion, it is quite possible that when we all float outside our bodies, meet the being of light of NDE fame and review our lives and are shown the answers to all mysteries, we may well find out that Paul was actually allowed to speak with him at this time which is a token of a future event predicted in the Jewish Prophets.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...eets-apostle-paul-visionary-dream-heaven.html
    Pastor Rick Joyner meets Apostle Paul in visionary dream of heaven....
    Isaiah 30:21
    "And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left."
     
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    Numerous scientific studies have shown that poverty leads to poor education and that has nothing to do with the intelligence of the person.

    It doesn't take a lot of intelligence to understand that Republican economic ideology is based upon the "capitalist" (owners of enterprise) where the "Capitalist's" only interest is self-interest (greed) that leads to the exploitation of the workers creating poverty and that the poverty requires welfare assistance to mitigate the effects of the poverty created by the Republican economic ideology.

    The poor overwhelmingly support the Democratic Party because the Republican Party is opposed to the poor.

    The same is true for blacks and Hispanics. They overwhemingly support the Democratic Party because the Republican Party is the pillar of racism in America.

    It doesn't take a lot of intelligence for those oppressed by a political party's ideology to realize it and support the opposing party.

    Wrong. They'd much rather have a job that pays them enough to live on. Republicans are opposed to employers paying enough for their workers to live on which is why the necessity for government welfare assistance is so high in America. Republicans, not Democrats, create the necessity of welfare assistance. Democrats would prefer a "liveable wage" as opposed to government welfare assistance.

    There's really no doubt that the Republican Party is the Party of Racism and we can cite numerous examples. Let me just provide one.

    The Voter ID Laws are "Jim Crow" voting laws that overwhelmingly prevent Hispanic and black US citizens from voting. That isn't an "opinion" but instead it's a fact based upon a federal court and, more recent, federal appeals court decision on the Texas Voter ID law. It violates Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act and the 15th Amendment to the US Constitution.

    Voter ID laws only address one issue and one issue alone, voter impersonation at the polls committed by registered US citizen voters. Voter ID laws have nothing to do with non-citizens voting because that's a voter registration issue. Voter ID laws only prevent a US citizens from impersonating another registered US citizen at the polls when voting. During the 2014 Presidential election only 10 cases were identified nationwide. The sole motivation behind the Voter ID laws is to prevent Hispanic and black US citizens from voting in our elections based upon demographic information (i.e. 25% of black US citizens and 17% of Hispanic US citizens don't have the ID necessary to vote under these laws) and everything else is a veil of deceit. Black and Hispanics, that are US citizens, are fully aware of this fact while Republicans continue to deny it.
     
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    A rather dubious analysis. Yes, the US Treasury issued legal tender currency promissory notes that were not interest bearing under Lincoln but they were later redeemable in gold/silver coinage (although many weren't redeemed).

    The US Treasury no longer issues legal tender promissory notes redeemable in gold/silver and has instead delegated the issuing of legal tender notes to the Federal Reserve - a federally chartered private entity - that refuses to redeem the notes in legal tender gold/silver money (disregarding the requirement to do so under federal law). The Federal Reserve does collect interest on the notes it issues some of which, above virtually unlimited expenses based upon the law, is given to the US government. The Federal Reserve makes billions of dollars annually producing Federal Reserve notes that it lends to commercial banks at interest. We, the American People, are paying that interest.
     
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    Social conservatism, regardless of political affiliation, has always been associated with WASP Male Supremacy based upon "Puritanism or religious fundamentalism" as well. While the political parties representing social conservatism have changed over time (e.g. it was the Democratic Party of the South from the 1860's to the 1960's but changed to the Republican Party during the 1970's and 1980's) the WASP Male Surpremacy ideology has always been a dominate ideology of social conservatism in America since before our nation was founded.
     
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    Since this thread is on intelligence which is more plausable.

    Proposition 1:
    The "Apostle Paul" was guided by the contemporary Christians of his time all of which might have been experiencing the effects of ergot fungus, a common fungus found on several grains at the time? Ergot alkaloids can cause hallucinations and attendant irrational behaviour. So basically the proposition is that Paul was influenced by others and he, as well as the others, might have been experiencing hallucinations and irrational behavior at the time.

    Proposition 2:
    The Apostle Paul was guided by the Holy Spirit, a mythical entity invented by his Christian contemporaries, that might have been hallucinating because of eating of ergot fungus contaminated grain that was very common at the time.

    Just curious how people might rationalize proposition 2 over proposition 1.

    I'm not condemning hallucinatory drugs, far from it, but we also have to understand that these types of drugs were really quite common at the time and, in many cases, people were hallucinating without even realizing it was chemically induced. They literally believed that "God" was talking to them.
     
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    Education broadens the mind and exposes you to the diversity of life and how its infinite variations come together to create meaning and beauty.
    Reactionaries are afraid of diversity and are typically anti-intellectual so they don't actually value education as much, and it shows.
     
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    Homosexuality is a sin according to the bible. If people don't agree with that religion, then find another religion.

    People can't join a religion and expect that religion to follow their political beliefs just because they joined it.

    Then by accusing other religious people of bigotry because they don't agree doesn't make them the bigot, it makes
    the accuser the bigot because he is the one attacking someone else's religion and religious belief. The person who
    is intolerant is the one pointing the finger of bigotry.

    Christianity is not white supremacy or Nazism and being gay is not the same as being black. It's baffling to me why
    people make such stupid idiotic comparisons.
     
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    What a bunch of nonsense. Did you get that out of a book of democrat talking points and platitudes? What is anti-intellectual is
    constructing broad generalized sentences with little meaning but sound good because the contain words that people like such as "education", "diversity", "meaning and beauty". What the hell is the point? That your are pro-education? Who isn't?

    The self proclaimed "intellectuals" are more often closed minded because when they use words like "diversity", they don't mean diversity of opinion. People who don't agree with them are to be labeled "reactionaries".
     
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    According to your poll, you lost 36 to 12.
     
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    It's all very fascinating. There's one assumption that I don't like. Why would it be considered less intelligent to be more discriminate in your charity? That would seem to be more intelligent. The article also leaves out the fact that private charity contributions of conservatives nearly doubles that of liberals, which is a very large difference.

    American education is liberal. It should be liberal. Conservatism isn't very innovative. The author defines modern U.S. liberalism in a very peculiar way, in my view.

    "the genuine concern for the welfare of genetically unrelated others and the willingness to contribute larger proportions of private resources for the welfare of such others."

    That sounds like a Christian precept, not the definition of liberal. Obviously there are vast differences in the theology and ideology of Christian groups that act out of genuine concern for the welfare of unrelated others. I can't quantify the differences in terms of actual numbers of people reached. I do know that I've attended conservative evangelical churches my whole life, and I'd put their contributions up against any of the more liberal churches. The Catholic church is probably the largest charitable organization on the planet. It's still pretty conservative. The evangelical Protestant church in the U.S. is still conservative, and it does quite a lot for the welfare of unrelated others here and around the world.

    No, liberalism isn't generosity, as the article asserts. As I'm sure many will state in this thread, giving away other peoples' money isn't charity.
     
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    Excellent points!

    Hanging around with people in a church that takes the Bible seriously can certainly have a positive impact on our willingness to give to charity, ourselves.

    Hanging around with the political left......... tends to make us more willing to vote for a political party that promises to become a government that will handle charity on our behalf.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...ations-should-print-their-own-currencies.html

    Large churches in democratic nations should print their own currencies.
    www.CalgaryDollars.ca/
    is a good example of how several dozen socially active residents of an area can begin what amounts to a second tier to the economy.

    The Ithaca Hour is an excellent example of a similar concept being applied in the United States.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ithaca_Hours
    Most North American churches have a desire to assist the poor and the oppressed. Well….. in 2014 efforts by a group of socially active Christians could easily transform dozens of homeless people into actors….. who are playing the role of homeless people….. and the specific efforts to help them could becomes scenes in a series of documentary and reality films designed to give the homeless people a job that finances their getting an apartment or at least a group home.

    Most of us are unaware of the Worgl, Austria local currency experiment that was conducted during the Great Depression and how successfully it was copied in hundreds of communities in the USA. As a matter of fact…… it looks like what these communities accomplished played a significant role in inspiring the USA government to alter the monetary system in many positive ways.

    http://www.whatcomwatch.org/php/WW_open.php?id=717

    City in Austria Printed Local Currency

    ......
    ......... I wonder which type of people would be more willing to contribute their time and talents to something along this line. "Liberals" or more conservative church goers??????
     
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    Sometimes the answer to even complex questions is a simple yes or no/right or wrong. Liberals don't accept this because they often don't like the answer and have to mix it up a bit.

    Are you saying liberals accept AGW because they do understand the complex science of climate? I know a little about it as a layman and nobody understands it completely and very few -- conservative or liberal -- understand it at a credible scientific level.
     
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    It is very rare that the answer to any question is a simple yes/no or right/wrong. Slimey lawyers like to get their witnesses to answer yes/no because it allows them to score a cheap point without the jury having to understand the issues at hand. WHen I was a kid, I was a conservative, cause I was naiive and took those yes/no answers at face value. I thought I was being "smart" by reducing everything down to simplicity. But now that I'm an adult, I realize that there's far more to these issues than a simple yes/no---and the fake simplicity of conservative ideology is simply an excuse to be mentally lazy, by assuming that you already know the answer, when you don't.

    Most conservatives reach their conclusions by basing them on a set of principles. They follow these principles blindly, without ever questioning their validity. This approach is unlikely to lead you to success.

    Liberals accept AGW due to the overwhelming scientific consensus by experts on the topic. It's the same reason why liberals accept quantum physics and evolution, and relativity. Science is science - you don't get to pick and choose what you accept because of your religious/personal/ideological beliefs. Sorry.
     
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    it gives them lots of stuff, as SpaceCricket79 says.


    and -- east is west and up is down. The Democrat Party is the party of slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, and the Ku Klux Klan. They also bitterly fought the civil rights acts of 1860s, 1950s, and 1960s and the voter rights acts of 1890 and 1965 (though their 1965 fight was not as strong.)

    So, 25% of blacks can't buy cigarettes or beer, get food stamps, fly on a plane, visit a school or government office, drive a car, etc, etc, etc.
     
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    Reagan wouldn't make it in today's Republican party as he didn't in 1980 either. Though I suspect Dole, who was one of the GOP stalwarts who fought Reagan tooth and nail in 1976 and 1980, meant the Republican base. But that would be wrong since Reagan would fit right in with the Republican base.

    I don't know if Trump has a lasting future in the GOP but why he appeals to the base (and scares the hell out of the establishment) and horrifies anti-GOPers is that he is unlike main stream Republicans who respond to continuous snarky, made-up and hyperbolic attacks by saying, "Sorry... I won't do it again," bowing their head, folding their tail between their legs and slithering off. Trump tells them to shove it. Establishment GOP responds, "OH! NO!" and Democrats have no clue what to do.
     
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    Obviously a liberal started this silly thread.

    I can't speak for ALL liberals or ALL conservatives. There are morons on both sides.

    But let me present current evidence of the ignorance of many on the left....their propensity to vote for the likes of Hillary Clinton in spite of all the clear indications that she is as self oriented, greedy and deceitful as they get. Yet many liberals will vote for her simply because of what's between her legs (we assume). The same brilliance who voted for the abomination simply because of his skin color. Facts ignored, never sought or denied.

    These truths are undeniable and self evident. Look at the state of world affairs right now and tell me in terms of the GREATER good, they made the correct decisions. Only a fool would say yes.
     
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    I said some answers are a simple yes or no. I agree, some aren't


    I said it is highly unlikely that the average liberal understands even a little climate science. I did not say he might not believe what someone else says.
     
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    it's highly unlikely that the average liberal understands quantum physics or special relativity. But that doesn't prevent liberals from accepting quantum physics or relativity. Why would it prevent them from accepting AGW?
     
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    Complex questions always require complex reasoning to reach the answer of "Yes" or "No" in the end. The answer might be simple but reaching that answer is not. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is a very simple equation but the math behind it is very complex and far beyond the comprehension of most people.

    Liberals don't claim to be experts in the field of climatology but they listen to the experts that overwhelmingly document that current global warming is caused by mankind. The scientists provide summaries of studies so that the average person can understand them but even the summaries are relatively complex. The liberal is willing to wade through the complexities of the summaries while many conservative simply deny the science apparently because they're incapable of understanding even the minimal complexity of the summaries.
     

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