The European / Syrian Refugee crisis

In two words....total nonsense

 

Notme is correct.

 

The phone meta data program is as off topic as can be. If you want to continue discussing how you didn't believe it's release in 2006 but did in 2013 because...newspapers, you can start another thread and we can go on from there.

 

I'm not making up the Geneva Conventions and what is written in there.
I'm not making up what Arab countries signed and what European countries signed.
I'm not making up why the US attacked Iraq, and that the inspectors were still on the job while nobody else (besides the UK) approved of this.

You just don't like the reality.
Too bad.

 

every item you listed requires spin to be true...unspun they remain nonsense...

send the invaders to some other islamic country where they would be 'welcome'...

 

You bring in no argument at all that counters/disproves what I posted.
Nothing at all.

 

many refugees also simply use a situation...

The geography of sources of migration considerably surpasses borders of Syria, Libya and Iraq. It covers Mauritania, Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Mali, Nigeria, Cameroon, Gabon, i.e. all Africa to the north of the equator. NATO army overthrew nobody there and the American tanks didn't interfere there. Simply migrants quickly thought that they in Europe all as like as two peas, and Syria and Iraq became some kind of well recognizable brands there. Therefore most of migrants also declare that ran to Europe only from totalitarian regime of Assad. Or from Iraq where the terrible Islamic state behaves with brutality. And the western person not interesting to go into detail and just trusts in it.

Though the European leaders still remain in old belief, the new reality essentially differs. Current migration doesn't wish not only to work, it in principle doesn't wish to consider herself the guest in others house. On the contrary, they are convinced of the right to demand to themselves any help, money, support and even cultural eases.

Theoretically,already now, Europeans have to send back home rigidly all illegal immigrants and extremely strictly punish all who does business on their transit. Have to, but mentally they aren't capable of it any more. Attempt to be fenced off by fences will delay crash of Europe only for small time. At the moment, together with arrived earlier, the share of migrants in the EU already makes more than 15%, and in Germany and France comes nearer to 20%. If on couple of millions migrants to Europe begins to come still at least five — six years, their share will reach a quarter of the population of the leading EU countries. Any nation of the world couldn't endure such inflow of migration. And destruction of bases of the nation always came to an end with death of the state. It repeatedly was confirmed even since crash of the Roman Empire. >>> http://regnum.ru/news/polit/1963559.html full text RUS

 

What is that? Regnum? You know this board is English speaking.

http://regnum.ru/news/polit/1963559.html

 

Your argument has no merit. There is an invasion occurring and the people being invaded do not like it. The remaining questions have to do with how to respond to the invasion...If the citizens in the invaded nations had a real say the invaders would be rounded up and returned home. As they don't have any say, the invasion grows.

 

It simply is the international law that the invading country becomes responsible for the safety of the citizens of that country.
That people like it or do not like it, is totally irrelevant to the fact.

And the US freely agreed to uphold that law when they signed the Geneva Conventions.
Don't like the responsibility, than don't freaking invade a country.

And the US messed up on the safety completely
It became absolutely total chaos.
And that is when ISIS got born.

 

So the invaders into Europe have responsibility for their actions?

 

He is speaking of the US military invasion of Iraq.

 

They are refugees, who according to european nations have the right to flee for their lives and seek refuges across the border.
This is not about who you like or who you do not like... these are RIGHTS as in by law they have that right.

And it doesn't change the fact that who is responsible for the chaos in Iraq.

 

The three articles were all the same that I saw on clicking your links.
And the enemies were Nations against America, not you, personally.
You may even be on their side.

 

Syria has been an ally of Iran which has killed 350 marines in Lebanon, built terrorists groups in many foreign nations, attaked Jew synagogues in places outside of Iran, locked up our diplomats for 400 days, and daily claimed they intend to attack our ally Israel, and shouted death to America.
That seems bad already.

Syria has attacked Israel, invaded and controlled Lebanon, and remains an enemy in every way to America.

 

The attack on the Marine barracks in Beirut were revenge for the Sabra and Shatilla massacre.

 

The Plan seems to be fitting what Revelation predicted would happen to Islam:

Rev. 6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal (of the Scriptures), I heard the voice of the fourth beast ([Ez 1:10], i.e.; sociologically speaking, the academic, educated, Integrated Group) say, Come and see.

Rev. 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse (OF FOREIGN COLONIALISM, FOLLOWED BY INDEPENDENCE AND STAGNATION): and his name, (ISLAMIC SHARIA), that sat on him, (BACKWARDNESS), was Death, (THEOCRATIC OPPRESSION), and Hell (IN WORLD WIDE TERRORISM) followed with him, (FUNDAMENTALIST ISLAM).
And (RELIGIOUS) power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, (the Western World), to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the (FOUR) beasts (i.e.; the chariots of Social Force, the four Social Groups) of the earth.


Nations which join in may just be volunteering for the same problems.

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The EU has already seen what their rewards were so far as immigrants moved into their cities.

 

... and Israel is the big problem you have thought?
Seems Islam is doing exactly what insane people do to one another.

What we shall see is a long long long skirmish among these muslim people, and in time, they will see that Jesus was correct,... love thy neighbor.

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So then you agree, Iran is on the list against America?

 

Obama may have been responsible for what happened in Iraq, but the people fleeing need go to Muslim friends not the West which they hate.

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It was not an invasion, but a response to Iraq breaking the Peace Agreement, made in 1991, when Saddam was forced to give back the Kuwaiti oil fields.

 

Iran certainly isn't going to attack America or Israel.. ...They aren't
suicidal.

If you recall Sabra and Shatilla.. Ariel Sharon and the Phalangists betrayed President Reagan and slaughtered old people, women and children.

 

GWB attacked Iraq and occupied it. It's under his reign that the US became responsible for Iraq.

The US attacked and occupied Iraq. That part of being the occupier = you're the one who becomes responsible for the safety of it's population.

Don't like to be responsible, than don't freaking be the occupier.

 

It is Iran who is on the list of America who it is against.
It's the US who bribed the Iranian army to oust it's elected president and install the Shah.
And when the American puppet together with the Americans hiding in their spy headquarters (embassy) got kicked out,
well the US responded with getting Saddam Hussein to attack Iran by supplying him with weapons,.... even WMD's.

The US never got over it, that their plans on having a puppet in Iran, or defeating Iran with Iraq failed.
That's where this feud comes from.

 

I thought to you the different opinion will be pleasant. I translated part. At the end I wrote RUS. for those who is able to use https://translate.google.co.nz:worship:

 

Oh, I see...we cannot take down a dangerous dictator but hundreds of thousands of invaders can overrun Europe..

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I was not aware that Hungary, Germany, Greece or Italy had a border with Syria...The second they move from safety seeker to welfare seeker, they become invaders.

 

Sunni Syrians have a very different culture from Europe. As their religion is the most important factor in their lives it's only natural for them to be settled in Sunni Muslim countries. There are plenty of Sunni paradises in the world. Not Europe. I am OK with Europe taking in Syrian Christians, Yazidis, Kurds and other ethnic groups whose very existence is threatened by hordes of Takfiris/Salafists which were unleashed upon Syrians.

Furthermore I know who Sunni Muslims are. I've been working for the number of years for and with employment services in the UK. I know exactly how loyal Sunni Muslims from Afghanistan, Albania/Kosovo, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Somalia etc...etc....are...Their God comes first, they suck the life out of the welfare system, the majority of them claim state benefits and work on the side (black market), criminal activity-heroin trade and prostitution (Albanians/Turks) etc...etc...And the best of all they laugh at the stupidity of the British people by allowing them to literally do whatever they want...I'm not making it up. Almost every single one of them abuses the system in one way or another. No wonder their home countries turned into (*)(*)(*)(*)holes.