What is your theory on why the USA has not been to the moon in the past 40 years?

The moon venture was driven by defense and the cold war. Once there, the public lost interest and complained about the cost. The political will vanished with the public lack of interest.

 

it's still a huge risk on the lives of those going.....

 

It's probably for the same reason that they never went - space radiation. There's some info on that here.
http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-landing/347662-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-studio.html

 

That is not info it is fictional.

We went and landed on the moon and it was never faked that fact is proven

 

As always, you rely on the uninformed for your delusionary opinion. This is not very impressive when you continually ignore evidence that proves your theory is hogwash. Space is populated largely by civilian satellites. If the data given to them were inaccurate, there would be discrepancies in equipment protection and duration of usability. There are neither. To arm-wave this away, you come out with the paranoid speculation "we don't know what we are told is true".

If you want to discuss space radiation, bring it on. We both know your knowledge base is empty on most space related subjects, so nobody will be holding their breath. Your entire "debate" modus operandi is to cut and paste spam, then deny and run away.

 

This article has the best perspective I could find. http://www.space.com/7015-40-years-moon-landing-hard.html

It seems to me that if we plan on sending manned missions elsewhere, further exploration of the moon and building and testing human habitats would be enormously helpful.

In the end its the money and the lack of public interest that kill this stuff.

 

People who design satellites get the right data so they know the moon missions were faked. They know that to go public would be career suicide. Anyway, the press would never report it if one of them were to try to go public.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chomsky+media

They would also be endangering their lives and possible the lives of their loved ones.
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfYBJFPuiwE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipKyUVuQ2Uk
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=9/11+witnesses+mysterious+deaths

Things seem to happen to people who try to expose government secrets.

Let's not forget that Betamax destroyed his credibility a long time ago.
http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=362999&page=2&p=1064028979#post1064028979

 

Horsehockey....the only one here with credibility issues is YOU,scott/cosmored/fatfreddy88/david c,especially with your incessant spamming of the same debunked crap over multiple boards.....

how you interject a fake moon landing thread in a basketball forum is beyond comprehension....


Utter,total,fail.

 

Hogwash. Not everyone has the delusion you seem to carry. Your attempt to inflict that on others is really quite sad.

The paranoid ramblings of a sad serial forum spammer. The press would go berserk for such a big story and you are deluded if you claim otherwise.

Using the term "us" seems somewhat extravagant given that nobody anywhere agrees with you. Since you have no credentials, have no idea what you are talking about or have no concept of logic and critical thinking, I shall rest easy that my credibility is just fine.

 

There's no substance in this post. It's just handwaving.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handwaving
(excerpt)
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Handwaving is a pejorative label applied to the action of displaying the appearance of doing something, when actually doing little, or nothing.
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You just destroyed your credibility (again).

I've posted this info before but I can't remember where so I'll have to post it again. It shows how science and news and history are controlled.


Science-

At about the 30 minute mark of this video a scientist says that science fraud is common.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buosgl6J3Kw

Scientists at the Rand Corporation say that depleted uranium is safe.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/docs/b04151999_bt170-99.htm

There are other scientists who say the opposite.
http://www.google.es/search?q=depleted uranium&tbs=vid:1

It's clear that the government can find scientists willing to sell out and lie.

Here's a scientists who say that it's impossible to get something published in a science journal if it goes against the official version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bAE7FGdNmA
(00:16 time mark)

Here's another case of official mainstream journals publishing untrue information.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1m3TjokVU4
(1:36:40 time mark)


I don't know anyone who still thinks the American media are objective.

http://www.thismodernworld.org/arc/1993/93short-attention-span.gif
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=chomsky+media&aq=f
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=Wi5h3vZl6uo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbnxsPgcsH0
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media/MediaControl_Chomsky.html
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199710--.htm
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media/media_watch.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Propaganda/Propaganda_page.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media_control_propaganda/Media_Control.html
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/official_culture.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=trWcqxrQgcc
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Herman /Propaganda_System_One.html


Did you learn any of this in history class?
http://www.politicalforum.com/history-past-politicians/371897-american-imperialism.html

Viewers...

He's trying to sway people who haven't taken the time to look at the info linked to in my last post. If you don't have time to look at it, please withhold judgement until you do. Don't be swayed by rhetoric.

 

Here, let me help you out where you've posted it before. Any one of 100 places as far as I can tell.

http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/

You seem to be under some sort of delusional cloud, whereby repeat posting of complete hogwash suddenly makes it valid.

 

This link I've posted before stopped working so I'm going to post the whole article.
buzzcreek (dot) com/grade-a/MOON/articles1 (dot) htm

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Did NASA steal $30 Billion to Fake
The Apollo Moon Landings?
Home Paper Moon Page

ARTICLE IN MEDIA BYPASS MAGAZINE, SEPT. 1997
THE VAN ALLEN ENIGMA
By Phylis and James Collier

In the early 1950's, a 35-year-old State University of Iowa physics professor and some of his students were cruising the cold waters ofnorthern Canada and the Atlantic Ocean, sending a series ofrocket-carrying balloons- which they dubbed "rockoons" - 12 to 15 miles into space.

They were trying to measure the nature of low-energy cosmic raysswirling around the earth. The experiments continued for five more years. Then, in 1958,Professor James Van Allen discovered his monster. Suddenly, his instrumentation warned of a giant beast of a thing, spewing enough deadly radiation counts to kill any human who ventured into its domain unprotected.

Van Allen and his students weren't sure of the size, shape and texture of the monster, they just knew they had encountered an incredible phenomenon.

Then, in l958, as part of the International Geophysical Year (a year in which men like James A. Van Allen were praised for exploring the realms of time and space) the young professor asked the U.S. military to send his experiments deeper into space, this time using a Geiger Counter to measure the intensity of the radiation. He further requested the most sophisticated rockets that would penetrate l00,000 miles into space.

That's when the monster grew all encompassing. It appeared to surround the entire earth and extend out some 65,000 miles, maybe even 100,000 miles. The Geiger Counter confirmed that the region above the earth, and in the path of the rocket, was cooking with deadly radiation. That radiation was born from solar flares that would race through the universe and become trapped by the earth's magnetic field. A deadly mixture of protons and electrons.

It was then that Van Allen realized the Aurora Borealis, the northern lights, was actually a visual manifestation of that tremendous energy from the sun. You could actually see the radiation swirling in a magnificent and deadly dance. His eventual finding of two such lethal radiation belts, put his name in the history books as the man who discovered the Van Allen Radiation Belts. There was an inner belt and an outer belt. The inner belt went from 40 degrees north and south of the Equator and was basically a doughnut surrounding the earth. Scientific experiments conducted by Van Allen and the military proved that belt was so deadly that no human could survive in its orbit. The outer belt was equally as destructive, and separated from the inner belt by an area of lesser radiation.

Van Allen's conclusion was delivered in a speech to the Academy of Science in 1959. He warned future space travelers they would have to race through these two zones on their way to outer planets.

"All manned space flight attempts must steer clear of these two belts of radiation until adequate means of safeguarding the astronauts has been developed" he said. Moreover, Van Allen advised they would have to be shielded with some extra layers of protection beyond that of the spacecraft itself. These findings were also published in Scientific American Magazine, March, 1959.

Two years later, Van Allen updated his report in Space World Magazine, December, 1961. In brief, he reported that everything he had found in 1959 was still valid. It was also in that year that President John F. Kennedy told an assembled group of students and dignitaries at Rice University in Houston, that it was America's destiny to put a man on the moon by the end of the decade. With that statement, the space race become a political game, worth 30 billion in taxpayer dollars to the winners. National Aeronautic and Space Administration (NASA), which is part of the Department of Defense and the CIA, became the caretaker of Kennedy's dream.

It was their job to build a spacecraft that would meet Van Allen's scientific requirements of safety through the radiation belts. Van Allen stated that the ship's skin, made of aluminum, would not be enough protection for the astronauts. Extra shielding of lead or another substance that would absorb the radiation would be needed. That, of course, posed the problem of weight. More weight created a booster problem. In other words, they would need a bigger rocket to carry a ship that was properly lined against radiation penetration. One of the most interesting of Van Allen's findings was that once protons and electrons hit the aluminum skin of the spacecraft, they would turn into x-rays. The kind the average dentist protects patients against with two inch lead vests. Those rays would naturally penetrate the astronaut's bodies and create anything from nausea and vomiting to eventual death, depending on the length of the exposure.

All of this scientific data presented a big problem for NASA. How could they build a spacecraft that would meet radiation standards and yet get off the ground?

The National Committee on Radiation Protection (NCRP) and the International Commission on Radiological Protection (ICRP) had established low "permissible doses" of radiation at levels that were consistent with living on earth. However, where the critical dosage on earth might be 5 rems of radiation in a year, the astronauts would receive that amount within minutes passing through the lower zone of the radiation belt.

In order to penetrate Van Allen's belt, in l965 NASA requested the two regulatory groups modify the existing standards for space flight. It was simply a matter of "risk over gain" and NASA convinced them to change the standards and allow them to take the risk. Whether or not future astronauts would be advised of these dramatically lowered standards and substantial risk is unknown at this time.

The next problem NASA faced was the shielding of the spacecraft. It was solved in a report NASA issued in Aerospace Medicine Magazine in 1965 and 1969. The report was written prior to the first Apollo mission to the moon.

NASA announced that a simple aluminum skin on the command module was enough to protect astronauts from lethal doses of radiation. This conclusion was based on studies NASA had conducted. Now NASA had ingeniously solved their two basic problems, protection and weight. They had eliminated the danger of radiation penetration, along with the problem of radiation shielding and spacecraft weight. We telephoned North American Rockwell, the builder of the Command Module which carried the astronauts to the moon and back. They verified that the craft was not protected by any additional shielding.

It was at this point in our research that we realized the Van Allen Report had been seriously compromised by NASA. Professor Van Allen had become an icon in the scientific community for warning of radiation dangers. One of his most important tenets was that even if you raced quickly through the 65,000 mile belt, which starts 400 miles above the earth's surface (thus allowing for inner space travel) you would still need considerable additional shielding. Were his findings now bogus? We had to speak to Van Allen.

Professor James A. Van Allen now 83, is Professor Emeritus in Geophysics at the University of Iowa. Our first question was why he did not speak up after NASA's claims and defend his original findings. Astonishingly, he told us that his seminal Scientific American article
in 1959 was merely "popular science."

"Are you refuting your findings?" we asked.

"Absolutely not," he answered, "I stand by them." In the next breath, Van Allen again acquiesced to NASA's point of view. He became positively mercurial in his answers. Basically he defended NASA's position that any material, even aluminum without shielding, was adequate to protect the astronauts from the radiation he once called deadly. When we asked him the point of his original warning about rushing through the Belt, he said, "It must have been a sloppy statement." So there we were, down the rabbit hole, chasing Van Allen through halls of mirrors. Was he taking the line of least resistance to government pressure? Was he trashing his own report in order not to be labeled a whistle blower? Could this renowned scientist actually be capable of a "sloppy statement" and blatant hyperbole published in a scientific journal?

If you don't believe we went to the moon, then you will say that NASA created the perfect cover story. It allowed them to continue receiving funding for a spacecraft they could not build, to enter a region of space they could not penetrate. If you believe we went to the moon, then you have to disregard Van Allen's years of research and published findings. You would also have to believe that aluminum, and not lead, is adequate protection against radiation in the very heart of the Belt. . .exactly the spot where Apollo rocket ships entered from Cape Canaveral in Florida.

 

Oh they built them...and the CM shielded them from any harmful radiation,that's a fact

 

More spam.


Your article contains only a few points that can be summarised by the following:- Van Allen discovers radiation belts, decides shielding over and above aluminum is required. Later on after many more years of research, with route planning that targets the outer areas, aluminum is sufficient.

That last paragraph is provably a lie. From Florida, Saturn V downrange paths, followed ground tracks that formed a 30 degree inclined orbit. There is no possible way to go through the heart of the belts when leaving orbit at that inclination. The trans lunar injection routes all traversed the areas on the very outside of the belts, where flux density is hundreds of times less than the dangerous central region.

Do you have any comment to make about this?

 

they also had more than just aluminum. IIRC polyethylene was used for part of the shielding as well.

 

The anomalies in the footage have already proven the hoax.
http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-landing/362999-air-caused-flag-move-so-obviously-studio.html
http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-landing/347662-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-studio.html

The radiation issue is about why they faked it. It's not about whether they faked it.

All I ever said is that space radiation is probably why they had to fake it.

The bottom line is that the amomalies prove the footage was faked in a studio. I don't see how anyone who wasn't a technician working with them at the time of the supposed missions could know which route they supposedly took.

If there really was a craft, it was probably an unmanned robotic craft to fool people who were watching. Someone who wasn't there working with them only knows what the press was saying at the time which is nothing.

This issue is moot.

 

Didn't the CSM also act as a Faraday cage as well?

 

Possibly. I know it was more shielded than the LM.

 

Anomalies do not prove a hoax.

There is no proof of a hoax and you have been pwned

 

Cowardly response as per usual. You spammed an article that concludes with a lie, yet have no response to it.

An issue you not only have no understanding of, but also no understanding of why the referral websites you link to are hogwash. All in all, you have no case and don't understand why not!

To reiterate, the Apollo space-crafts travelled through the outer edges of the Van Allen radiation belts, a region with nowhere near the intensity associated with the dangerous central areas. No wonder you run away from a response, but I would bet money that it won't stop you dishonestly spamming your rubbish elsewhere.

 

Remember that mars reality show ?
That really died in the arse.

 

The anomalies in the video have already proven that the footage was taken in a studio so the space-crafts probably didn't even leave earth orbit.

As far as trajectories go, if they sent a robot craft to fool people who were watching, all we have is second-hand info.
https://www.google.es/search?q=apol..._AUoAWoVChMIxen0u_KNyAIVBnA-Ch0FuwDM&dpr=0.75

All we know is what we're told by known liars so this really can't be used as serious evidence of anything.

We can't take a firm stand on the nature and levels of space radiation unless we have high security clearances and have access to the real data that NASA has on space radiation or send up our own probes to measure it ourselves.

We can only come to serious conclusions by looking at the footage and still pictures of the astronauts on the supposed moon. The anomalies show that they couldn't have been on the moon. Therefore, they weren't on the moon.

We don't know whether NASA is lying to us about the nature and levels of space radiation or the trajectories of the supposed craft as it's all second-hand info. Therefore, there's nothing about this that can lead to any firm conclusions.

The radiation issue is really a moot issue. The only way we can come to any firm conclusions is by looking at the footage and still pictures.

 

Plus, it's way cheaper to send robotic and remote controlled devices up there, and they can stay out there indefinitely. We've already got 6 manned missions' worth of lunar samples and other data in hand now, too. Far as I know, LRO is still operating up there, and maybe missions from Japan and India as well? I haven't kept close track of who all has probes where these days.

 

Anomalies prove no such thing.

You have never challenged the fact that the lunar landings were real

 

I wouldn't say that. I think this info challenges it very well.
http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-landing/347662-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-studio.html
http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-landing/362999-air-caused-flag-move-so-obviously-studio.html

Tell us how you "Know" that a craft with three people in it went to the moon. Is it because you take what you're told as fact, or do you have some other way of knowing?