It's not xenophobia if it's true

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  1. Diuretic

    Diuretic Well-Known Member

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    The Coalition govt has been accusing Labor and the union movement of xenophobia or racism or something when it comes to the China FTA. The fear of jobs being taken by imported Chinese labour is rubbish, so they say. But why would I disbelieve the govt? Probably because for them working people are just fodder for business to employ.
    Robb denies this. Well he would, wouldn't he?

    This and the recent comments by Michaelia Cash about WorkChoices 2.0 should be noted by those who vote for the Coalition and who earn a salary for a living or who are currently not working.

    They may have a smoother Leader but they're still who they always are.

     
  2. culldav

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    There should have been NO 457 visas ever given to foreign trade-skilled or service workers, so they could come into Australia and compete with Australia's unemployed citizens.

    This doesn't make sense, and never made sense.

    Australia needs politicians who will stop the 457 visas completely.

    You could see this happening all around Australia over the past few decades. The more foreign owed businesses that were allowed into Australia, the more they employed citizens from their own cultural background, and more Australians started to become unemployed. Australians don't have much chance of being employed in their own country now, when even job advertisements are written in a foreign language in foreign published newspapers, and posters on shop windows. When foreigners come to Australia, they demand and expect everything to be written in "their" language.
     
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    looks like Australian government negotiators just got shafted by foreign negotiators, again.
     
  4. mister magoo

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    It wouldnt be hard to shaft our jibberers...
     
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    They love it!

    All Mills and Boone like!

    The Liberal Party pay back, if Coal is not going to be saved, then you all can get stuffed!
     
  6. culldav

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    What makes you think there was any real negotiations?

    Nothing will ever effect Australian politicians because they live under a different law and social system, so when they they are told to jump, they ask how high?

    Politicians can just take their $10's of millions to another country if something bad happened, and leave everyone else to rot, so why the hell would they be concerned if they make mistakes or get things wrong.

    No every makes them responsible or accountable anyway - not even the people who elect them :roflol:
     
  7. DaS Energy

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    Yes and loved it!

    Anal is more the thing for some.

    But because they are like that they must take it out on the Liberal Party.

    They cant marry so why should they make things good for the Liberals.
     
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    Xenophobia is if you dislike an individual for having coke bottle glasses.

    Any other use of the word is grave affront to the English language.
     
  9. DaS Energy

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    Dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries:

    MOD EDIT - Rule 2
     
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    They talk about the knob in, wait till the shove start!
     
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    Speak your mind, put your flag on the pole, right between the eyes. Fide Et Fortuditine.:)
     
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    oh yeah, those poor different Chinese. How different are they? There's only one or two in the world. One on the gold mine and the other is a dry cleaner:roll:

    Xenophobia is fear of difference, Chinese are a dime a dozen. There's nothing different about them.
     
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    A grave affront to LANGUAGE then?

    interchangeable definitions lead to newspeak, to Orwellianism.
     
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    The jobs issue is far more important than the environment quibbles, it almost seems like the environmental debate is just being used as a distraction. The government will continue to outsource and insource all the jobs with huge numbers of migrants while the Chinese buy up all the agricultural land and companies. Australia is not improving, it is drifting towards becoming a Third World, like the rest of the countries in Southeast Asia. Only Australia won't have all the beautiful tropical scenery. :wink:
     
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    When discussing 457 visa policy, one would consider actually talking about the policy. One would consider that the Chinese FTA is NOT the 457 Visa policy.

    Just as the ALP before negotiated FTA's with other nations (and considerable amount of this one as well) one would consider this issue would have been addressed by the ALP in power.

    No, now in opposition try and score political points and single out ONE policy and pretend this policy is the ONLY policy that regulates 457 visas. But hey, why let the truth get on the way of what is good for building the nation? Who cares if the policy does not go through because of the lies these people perpetrate on the people of Australia, they will never know. At the last minute the ALP will come riding in on the white house (doing absolutely nothing) and save the day.

    Funny as the Chinese government are starting to infer about the delay causing failure of the agreement the ALP are starting to back pedal. The FTA does not need to include policy for 457 visa holders. Policy for 457 visas is a policy of its own and if the ALP want to complain about that policy why did they not change it when they had the chance??? Six years and all they did was play politics with it by telling lies...

    I am really questioning how anybody could believe anything the ALP say and the unions as they themselves employ 457 visas holders. NOT because they cannot find people to fill positions as they demand of the FTA. THEIR claim is so they can better cater to foreign workers in Australia.

    I have witnessed Union negotiated EBA’s that are DIRECT causes for foreign workers being imported by insuring LOWER wages and selling workers’ rights off to get supposed benefits for the union. SO when anybody talks about who has the best policy for workers by either of these two parties, they are simply perpetrating the SAME lie on the Australian people.
     
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    Your good! :)
     
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    Run through the number of non native Australians lead by Turnbull to Govern us and you quickly see why they don't care about Australians!
     
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    It's "you're", darling.
     
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    Bugger!, you're right! :)
     
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    If people are completely honest with themselves, the ALP/unions have done nothing to protect Australian jobs.

    Manufacturers are fleeing Australia in droves.

    There is also an increase in foreign unskilled labour being allowed into Australia, and this was allowed under the ALP and LNP Governments.
     
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    Truely, I do understand why Australia needed 457 visas and other working type visas under Howard as the unemployment rate almost vanished. But seriously, with unemployment at the level it is today one has to wonder.

    I cannot recall who said "Unions are not interested in the unemployed" but that fact remains. As I point out the unions have employed people under the 457 Visa program claiming to better represent foreigners who are not members of the unions. So instead of representing the people who pay them, they use that money to represent the people who are not of this nation and not paying members.

    Soon this pretender of the union movement will have to face accusations of selling of members rights for payments to the union movement. No wonder he and his band of ALP drones have been trying their best to shut down ANY examination of union activity. They tried to shut down the Thompson investigation and any other scrutiny. They refuse to condemn criminal behaviour within their ranks and simply refuse to believe that they are wrong.

    Using the universal lie “ I stand by my record of doing the best for the members”. What is the best for the members??? Is it selling of penalty rates for secret payments to the union movement??? Maybe it is getting payments from employers to keep their mouths shut. Either way, just as the community orientated lie, What is good for the union is not necessarily good for its members.

    Then we have these coalition lies of trying to support the workers while allowing people to import workers to do work that while appear to be unskilled actually needs a high degree of training. Look to the transport industry… just a short while ago on a visit to Sydney I came across a taxi driver training centre guaranteeing licenses and jobs. No requirement for language or citizenship. In fact advertising stated “no working visa, NO PROBLEM”. Check out the trucks next time you wonder around the nation, just how many are Australian and how many are on working visas? On closer examination of how these people are trained it scares me to actually share the road with these people. NOBODY can tell me that this is good for any nation, people in charge of machinery capable of killing everybody around them and in them, with such little training and understanding of the Australian language. If you cannot talk the language how in hell can you read it???

    The hypocrisy of BOTH these parties and their minions is just incredible.
     
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    Everything in Australia is available in a foreign language - from welfare to drivers licences.

    They don't even have to read, talk or understand the countries language to live in Australia.

    I agree, its very frightening to comprehend Australians are sharing the roads with people that have been given drivers licences in their own language.

    HOW the hell do they understand the road rules and road signs written in English?
     
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    Maybe a little off topic but I was considerably surprised when I visited a work site in Melbourne just recently. Most signage was in Chinese with absolutely no interpretation throughout the site for Australians.

    Don't get me wrong, if this site was being visited by majority of Chinese people or was owned by Chinese business I could see the logic. This was an entirely Australian own business and visited by many nationalities.

    Surprised the hell out of me.
     
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    The Korean's are good workers, leave the Australians in the dust IMO.
     
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    it's incredible the little individual experiences of globalist insanity we can share on the net. That one is a new one to me, though I share many of my own bizarre stories.

    It's also amazing how many people knock my stories. Yes they are bloody unbelievable, but that's the whole point!

    Wilful ignorance (*)(*)(*)(*)s me.
     

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