Dems block 'sanctuary cities' bill

So in your mind if the Government actually enforced the immigration laws we wouldnt need sanctuary cities... So you want to punish illegal aliens while at the same time you think we need cities that protect them... Yet again a Progressive shows that they simply can not keep a consistent thought.

 

Oh I understand the word "native" and I am indeed native to the United States and Mexicans are native to Mexico.

Yes Americans have Hispanic roots and Hispanics are from Spain which is a country in Europe..

Why do you think they speak Spanish? you think that was the native language?

There aren't many people that can claim they're pure "native" and even the "natives" aren't native - they're migrants from China - so that even further moots your immigration point..

The only thing that matters is where you were born, your ethnicity doesn't give you a birth right..

 

You seem confused. Like most Americans, I support Washington finally enacting realistic, enforceable comprehensive immigration reform (http://images.politico.com/global/2014/05/18/140517_politico_topline_may_2014_survey_t_1117.html, page 8 ) that would render local accommodations to their ongoing impotence in the matter mute.

 

The NSA can tap in to anyones communication and listen to them in real time. So yea we really could find all of the illegals in this country if we really wanted.

 

Silly. That's $54,000 each.

Illegal immigration is ultimately a local issue for obvious reasons. Locals know who is here illegally. Local police interact daily with those here illegally. Scale it up, if each police jurisdiction in the US encounters just one undocumented alien per day that works out to 17, 000 per day.

The system is in place it just needs to be scaled up on the federal side, more hearing officers more busses and aircraft, tent cities along the border, little more. A few billion maybe. This is workable and has worked in the past, the process was hijacked because it did work.

Let the local police return to their historic function on federal law enforcement.

Or, we use your numbers and offer each illegal $20,000 each to turn themselves in and fly them home. 100 billion and the problem solved.

Cheers
Labour

 

No, you don't seem to understand the meaning of "nativist."

Many folks around the world speak Spanish, and many speak English.

Many speak more than one language.

Most Americans, regardless of the language they or their progenitors spoke, speak English.

 

How much of "dran" do they put on the system? That is the number you have to look at. 600billion is nothing in the grand scheme of things.

 

Yes, the process of identification, apprehension, incarceration, prosecution, appeal, and deportation is an onerous one, and repeating it 11-12 million times is expensive.

No, local governments are not authorized to determine citizenship, nor deport those they suspect of not being citizens. That is, obviously, a federal matter.

 

You can believe whatever the hell you like however that doesn't change the fact you're completely ignoring the Spanish Inquisition, which in turn doesn't make these "natives" very native...

Countries have borders and I was born in the United States so I am native to the United States and Mexicans are native to Mexico...

These ideas are not complicated... No one has a birth right to any country just because they may have some sort of ethnic link.. I have an ethnic link to Sicily and to Sweden - do you see me demanding I have a right to live there?

 

Accountants could calculate the value of the cheap labour they provide, the contributions that they makes to Social Security that they never collect, their military service, etc., but rather than assessing their economic impact or attempting to deport millions of men, women, and children, many of whom have lived in the US as peaceful, useful residents, it would make much more sense for Congress to step up and enact comprehensive, realistic, enforceable immigration reform as Republicans and Democrats had both once advocated.

 

Code for another round of Amnesty... No thanks.

 

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The percentage of Americans of Hispanic ethnicity is steadily increasing.

 

I could care less about ethnicity - none of that changes anything..

I only used ethnicity because it destroys your weak "birth right" argument..

 

You're confused. Where do you believe I ever cited "birth right"?

 

Then you can perpetuate the status quo and snivel about it.

I'll continue to share with most Americans the support for adopting a comprehensive, practical, realistic, enforceable policy.

 

You basically implied illegals have the right to live in the US because they're somehow native people...

 

This was actually removing federal funding. The localities can continue, but this would alleviate the rest of the country from supporting their decisions. This bill was in fact less federal involvement.

 

Since:

a) ...the National Census is taken once every 10 years, and
b) ...the census counts all residents equally, regardless of their citizenship status, and
c) ...the re-distribution of Electors for our Electoral College is 80% determined by that census,

then no, it does not surprise me at all that democrats are packing sanctuary cities in blue states as full of illegals as they possibly can, and blocking any and all attempts to curtail them.

If they can steal Electors from red states in 2020 by packing their sanctuaries with illegals and other non-citizen immigrants (refugees for example), then they will tip elections in their favor irreversibly for the following decade and beyond.

So, they don't NEED illegals to actually VOTE in any elections to use them for electoral advantage (although, they also curtail any attempts to prevent illegals from doing so), ... they just need them to settle in blue states, and to be counted by the census. Tricky, huh?

 

Could you please look up what "nativist" means and how to understand it in his sentence? MOD EDIT - Rule 3

 

It is no more absurd than pretending a registry of a half-billion guns could be created, and maintained, is it?

 

Enforce current policy.. Staus quo is not enforcing the current laws how the hell would new laws change anything?

 

Lets abolish all aid to immigrants and open the borders. This would get us just the immigrants we need to fuel our economy.

Otherwise, defunding sanctuary cities was an actual reduction in federal involvement.

 

Determination is a federal function, as is the physical act of deportation, no argument. The glaring question becomes why isn't the federal government working with the local law enforcement agencies in this effort?!

The feds, FBI, Dea etc work with local agencies, police and State prosecutors, collegently enthusiastically even as it relates to federal drug law. Why not with federal immigration law?

Local and state police power is the enforcement arm of federal law by an overwhelming majority of criminal prosecutions.

Why are you denying the reality of how our system works?

Cheers
Labour

 

No... I know what the word means so I don't have to.

 

Wrong.

I never said any such thing - which is why you cannot quote me "implying" any such thing.