Why do people want a $15.00 minimum wage

what facts are you using to substantiate this claim... the unemployment rate among the elderly who are still in the work force is far lower than the young... there is a reason for that, because employers are far more likely to hire someone with experience than not...

http://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/cpseea10.htm

stop making facts up... look at that 20-24 category and compare it to 55+

the elderly are OVER twice as likely to be employed... and when you compare them to 18-19 year olds, they are are FOUR times more likely to be employed...

P.S. please stop spreading lies... know the facts, not the opinions...

 

That is factually inaccurate. The MW was increased in 1996/97, and job hiring increased, for example. Dramatically.

They rightly dictate a lot of things a business owner has to do.

Why should companies who pay workers like crap have an unfair advantage over businesses that pay them at least a subsistence wage? Why should responsible employers that provide health care benefits be at a disadvantage to scummy employers that don't provide basic benefits to their workers?

Level the playing field so the competition is fair.

 

the cost of living has risen faster then the min wage

when people earn less, the economy spends less, which equals statistically speaking... less jobs

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How would that solve things for naturally lower performing people many fall under the bell curve in use of English and Mathematics for many reasons but who may have strong other talents such as athletics or being socially skilled or artistic talents or other areas. For many all they are hard working with a strong work ethic and can only do basic work.

I'm not saying they can't be trained and get skills but that doesn't mean they can be successful in say college or in technical areas of applied work in STEM areas so what is the option for them if enhancing their skills has limits?

Realistically vocational preparation needs to be done in grades K-12 as in public schools where the costs to the student are quite low, asking them to take on debt without assured a job is crazy and employers won't train people in house anymore much so the government has to offer options.

I suggest at age eighteen people get two years of free school including books and supplies, paid for by taxes, then one year more every decade under the same terms to let them try to keep their skills up to market needs. In return employers would be taxed per employee and there would be a payroll tax to fund this and move money away from the PELL program, and bump school loan interest by 1 percent.

 

The private sector does not have to show their statistics. If you are the owner of a bread factory, and all of a sudden you have to pay your employees more, you are going to raise the price of bread. This will happen everywhere especially small businesses. How do people not see this I don't know.

 

So that they might make a better living.

 

The above does not prove that a rise in wages will be nullified by inflation.

 

That is another factually inaccurate statement.

Whether the price of a good will increase depends upon many factors, including elasticity of demand and profit margin relative to cost of labor.

For a price elastic good where the minimum wage labor is a small part of overall cost and profit margins are high, the company may just eat all or some of the higher cost.

There was, for example, no significant increase in prices after the 96/97 MW increase, or the more recent one in 2007 for that matter.

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Inflation is ultimately a function of the effective money supply.

If the effective money supply stays the same, and increase in cost in one input will (ultimately) result in an offset in another.

 

if wages are too low not enough people will by your product, it's a give and take and both will rise over time

some people only see one side of it... how this can be I do not know
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Idealists live in an imaginary world. It's nice to deal with things without the hindrances of reality to complicate things.

Imagine you're only 3 feet tall. Everything looks so big and scary because it's made for people who are 5 and a half feet tall. All of the space on the top shelf of your refrigerator is wasted, and it's impossible to see over the steering wheel of your SUV. Your feet don't touch the floor when you sit on your couch. Try as you might, you can't adjust the shower head to spray anywhere other than the top of your head. Your lifestyle is catered to others, and very little caters to you (no pun intended). You try to cope by abusing drugs and booze, and slowly slip into a deadly depression spiral that ultimately destroys you.

All of this can be solved by changing our measuring system. 1 foot should become 2 feet. This new way of measurment means that, until evolution catches up, these people become much taller. No more will they need a chair to chop vegetables at the counter. No more will reaching the buttons on an elevator require a long pointy stick.

Also consider the amount of energy these people will save just by walking 2 feet for every 1 foot they used to walk previously. The benefits are untold...

 

Indeed as over a long enough timeline inflation will overtake a wage. But this is not to say that raising wages is all negative without its positives... not that you are implying such.

 

Simply not true. Wages, like any other good or service, will (eventually, and everything else being equal) retain the same purchasing power regardless of inflation. If median wages are $20k, and prices double because of inflation, wages will double as well.

Of course, supply and demand and other things affect prices, including wages. So wages' purchasing can increase, decrease, or stay the same.

Until the Reagan "trickle down" revolution, median wages increased far faster than inflation.

Since then, they've barely kept up with inflation, even though GDP has increased far faster than inflation, and the incomes of the wealthy have skyrocketed compared to inflation.

Raising middle class incomes is generally a very good thing. Spending accounts for 70% of GDP, and the middle classes are the great engine of spending.

The fact that we've seen spending growth decline as middle class incomes have stagnated is no coincidence.

 

I also think we should solve the obesity problem in this country by making pounds heavier. A 300 pound fatty can instantly become a 150 pound hottie if we all agree to be compassionate enough to double the weight of a pound.

 

That doesn't make sense at all.

Whether someone is obese is a function of body weight relative to height, not whether you change the scale of a unit of measurement or use a pound, a stone, or kilo.

 

So what you're saying is that changing the scale of the unit of measurement doesn't change the value of the thing the unit measures?

Huh....

Imagine that.

 

Depends on how you measure the value.

Imagine that.

 

It's arguable from both sides. The real problem is the government stepping in and ordering you to do something. That's what I have a problem with.

 

I presume you have a problem with the government stepping in and ordering you to not pollute, not create dangerous work environments, not discriminate based on race/sex/religion, and not use child labor as well?

Or is it just the part about paying working people a liveable wage you have a problem with?

 

Your inabilty to answer my question answers your question. You just didnt connect those dots yet.

 

No I support what ever the worker and employer agree to


Because the employers cant afford it

 

Why can't employers' afford it? Because the (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)bag running the business across the street will pay his workers (*)(*)(*)(*) and get an unfair competitive advantage.

Requiring all employers to pay their workers a liveable wage levels the playing field for fair competition.

 

Government can not force you to pay someone a certain amount of money. That is tyrannical. Does the business belong to the government? Does the government pay for their accountant? Does the business pay their taxes. If people don't like a certain employer, don't work there. If there is not enough jobs, it's because the government has already overstepped their boundaries. They are doing everything they possibly can, to keep the economy going. Why do people want a higher wage, when all it does is put more money in the hands of the government. They already have the money, in which people want a raise, get it back from them and their million dollar mansions.

 

No its an agreement between the employer and the worker. No one is forced to work for another. In the case of unions most get paid more than they are worth.

Thats why you start at minimum and if you do good you get a raise. Thats how you motivate people.

 

Elsa do you think I can be taller if we make a foot longer?

 

Or like myself my SS is not enough to live on so I work. Im a far better deal at the 12 bucks an hour I get than some kid off the street with 0 work experience.