Trump would 'certainly implement' national database for U.S. Muslims

Wow.

I am absolutely amazed at the level of rhetoric and it's hateful, bigoted, and nonsensical content, coming form the GOP candidates.

A database of folks who are of one religion? Has this country gone mad with hatred and bigotry? Or at least Trump and his supporters? I would think any reasonable person would find this not only distasteful, but morally reprehensible.

The willingness of folks to demonize innocent people, and the overwhelming majority of Muslims in this world are not terrorist in any way, shape, nor form, is amazing in an effort to get a few possible votes.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/19/politics/donald-trump-barack-obama-threat-to-country/

Donald Trump on Thursday called for the creation of a national database to register all Muslims living in the U.S. to protect the country against terrorism.

"I would certainly implement that. Absolutely," Trump told NBC News during a campaign stop in Newton, Iowa.

He continued: "There should be a lot of systems, beyond databases. We should have a lot of systems."

Trump, who also said this week that he would consider shutting down mosques, told Yahoo News earlier Thursday that "we're going to have to look at a lot of things very closely" when asked about a national database for Muslims.

Those answers seemed at odds with a follow-up question from CNN's Sara Murray in Newton. When Murray asked whether Trump would rule out a database for Muslims, he said he didn't "know where you heard that."

"Yahoo News asked you about it, you didn't rule it out," Murray said as Trump worked a ropeline after the event.

"No, I never -- I never responded to that question," Trump said.

"So would you not support it?" Murray asked.

"I never responded to that question, Sara," Trump said.

He added that he didn't "know who wrote it," referring to the Yahoo News article, and declined to answer a follow-up question from Murray about whether he would "support something like that," referring to a Muslim database. He also declined to respond when Murray asked "what's your view of it?" as he continued down the ropeline.

His spokeswoman Katrina Pierson said Friday on Fox Business that Trump "is just saying he won't rule anything out."

"Those are a reporters' words and now everyone is saying it's all Trump. He's simply saying he won't take anything off the table," Pierson said.

When the anchor pressed her, suggesting a religion-based database isn't something that is done in the U.S., Pierson said "we don't do that, but we do have a watch list, a terrorism watch list."

Trump has repeatedly suggested it would be "insane" to allow Syrian refugees into the U.S. for fear that terrorists could infiltrate their ranks and slammed President Barack Obama for his plans to resettle 10,000 Syrian refugees in the United States over the next year.

"I think he's a threat to our country. I mean he must have some kind of a thing going because, you know, when you see that he won't even call them by their name, attack after attack after attack," Trump said Wednesday on Boston's WRKO radio. "It's radical Islamic terrorism and he won't even acknowledge it -- it's like they're coming out of Denmark or something."

Trump added that Obama "doesn't have any clue" when it comes to defeating ISIS.

The Republican front-runner's attack on the president came after Obama had slammed Republicans' calls to stop admitting any Syrian refugees into the United States as "offensive," "political posturing" and a "potent recruitment tool" for ISIS.

"We are not well served when, in response to a terrorist attack, we descend into fear and panic," Obama said earlier on Wednesday. "We don't make good decisions if it's based on hysteria or an exaggeration of risks."

Keith Ellison: Community to 'assert Muslim-Americanness'

Trump also slammed Hillary Clinton for not labeling the terrorist threat the U.S. faces as "radical Islam."

But Trump went beyond knocking Clinton for the language she uses in discussing the threat of terrorism, suggesting she lacks the "strength or the stamina" to lead the country.

"She doesn't have the strength, she doesn't have the stamina," Trump said. "Hillary does not have the strength or the stamina to be president, and she doesn't have the ideas."

Words of contempt, acts of love for Muslims after Paris attacks

In a separate interview, Trump knocked ripped Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders as a "communist."

"I think he's a communist. I think he's actually a communist with a socialistic bent," Trump told Yahoo News. "Anybody that would say that the Paris attacks were caused by global warming, there's something missing."

Sanders calls himself a "democratic socialist" and has said that he believes the greatest threat facing the country is global warming, and he linked climate change to unrest in the Middle East in the last Democratic debate.

 

Wow I can't stand Trump and his flashy ways but I find nothing wrong with what he said. Obama's a coward, Hillary isn't fit to lead this nation by a long shot (neither is Trump...) but he called it like it is. Dude has some serious golf balls. The PC police just don't like it. Hurts their little feelings.

 

So all you righties who claim to be opposed to government tyranny here it is right in front of you. A candidate for POTUS is talking openly about a database of Americans based on religion. It doesn't much more overreach than that.

 

I find it appallingly un-American and horrifically offensive on both a moral and intellectual level.

 

religious fanatic list (can't restrict it to just Muslims, has to be all religions)

like the

sex offender list

how could a db like that ever be abused....

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C'mon.. That would violate several amendments... Trump isn't doing that because he couldn't...

Not like some care about the Bill of Rights anyway......

 

I'm sorry it hurts your feelings. The truth is not un-American. Hillary isn't fit to lead. Obama isn't fit to lead. Trump isn't fit to lead. It's just a circus. For someone who "thinks for themselves" you really should see the underlying truth.

Muslim radicals have called for attacks on US soil. This is serious and that is what Trump is trying to convey.

 

And yet unsurprising, and in that sense very american

 

Then they'll want to add homosexuals.
Then anyone who isn't a Christian.
Then liberals.

We've seen this playbook before.

All we need now is a domestic Reichstag and people will be tripping over themselves to complete the transformation of the US into a military-backed police state.

 

Not what he said.

Religious list.

Now is that not America? Where folks have a freedom of religion? A presumption of innocence?

Why on earth should a government maintain a list of people who belong to a religion when they, the individuals, have done nothing wrong?

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What source is that? Trump?

 

I agree with you, I do no think such a list would be a good idea and would be abused

the list may at first be used for Muslims, but soon the list would be mostly Christians religious fanatics, something for Christians that support this to think about

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I do.

They truth, as I see it, is that the Republicans have gone insane on this matter, where they are gleefully willing to subject folks to a myriad of unconstitutional and repugnant legal procedures.

 

Yeah, a database based on religion would be horrible. Think of all the servers we'd have to buy. After all, it's not like we're going to delete our race based database, or a gender based database, or our income based database, or our crime based database, or any of the other trillion bits of data the government keeps on you.

 

And yet what he proposes, though expedient, erodes individual rights.
If the bulk collection of data by the nsa was wrong, surely this also is?

 

All living Muslims in the U.S., which I assume includes ones that are born here. I also assume that includes all black people who happen to be Muslim too.

Hmmm, sounds very 1940-ish to me.

 

When some terrorist strapped with explosives is pointing a gun at you screaming ALLAHU AKBAR lets see if your "feelings" can prevent you from being a victim.

See if you can placate him with SJW rhetoric.

Let me know how it goes.

 

why would you feel safer in that situation if the guy was on a list somewhere

it would become like the sex offender list, so huge and so many included it becomes pointless and no one even looks at it anymore

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Why would he have a gun if he was strapped with explosives?

Odd scenario. The odds of being victim to a terrorist are infinitesimally small. in 2010 25 US noncombatants died in terrorist attacks worldwide.

Out of over 300,000,000

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-terrorism-statistics-every-american-needs-to-hear/5382818

I don't know what that is.

 

If isis pulls off an attack in America will you liberals still defend Islam?

 

Hey there was no left-wing outrage over some sleazeballs trying to publicize a "national database for gun owners" in NYC

 

Well, I am not sure I am what you are thinking a liberal is, but certainly.

Isis and Islam are not synonymous. Isis is a ragtag group of fanatics. There are, according to what I found, up to 31,500 Isis fighters in the world.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/11/world/meast/isis-syria-iraq/

There are 1,600,000,000 Muslims in the world. I believe, and my math could be wrong, that means .0002% of Muslims are Isis fighters. I would not impugn 99.9998% of a populace over the actions of so few. That would be statistically and morally silly

 

Plus I'm not of the opinion that "freedom of religion" has to necessarily be "absolute" even in the case of practical differences that concern things like national security; and if overtly Christian terrorism ended up being as rampant as Islamic terrorism then I might have to concede to adding them to the database too, but c'est la vie

Since most Muslims are decent people, then what do they have to fear? Just like law-abiding gun owners who are required to register their weapons.

 

Bush and Obama have gone around the constitution, why care if Trump did it? Would the left complain if Hillary did? They sure haven't complained when Obama was exposed by Snowden.

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"insane"? By "insane" you mean reacting to real threats from ISIS that vow to attack us on our soil?

Yea pretty insane to want to preserve your civilian public....

 

Sometimes when they get dressed in the morning the coffee hasn't kicked in or the bedroom is dark and they forget they put on the explosive vest instead of the cardigan. Then they remember: "Damn" they say sheepishly (in Arabic) "I could have left this gun at home!".

 

It doesn't directly prohibit the free exercise of Islam, so I don't see how it'd be unconstitutional whether you agree with it or not.