Donald Trump's minority outreach continues apace...

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  1. Darkbane

    Darkbane Banned

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    heh... so... I prove you wrong... and you reject the proof right in your face, and put me on ignore... why... so you don't have to acknowledge your own lies?

    is that how you live your life, in a bubble of all like-minded people, and when someone comes along and bursts it, you run and hide?

    hey I get it, its easier to just reject and deny anything, rather than face the fact you were wrong about something, and that means you would have to acknowledge other things may be wrong with your thinking and actions... its a very difficult thing to do, to admit you were wrong... its much easier to ignore people and hide in a bubble...

    P.S. I'm not trying to say you have to think like me, you can still embrace your liberal beliefs, I have some of my own, but when I find something I believed, was wrong, I need to reflect on that and my own thoughts to keep my honest with myself... the more you lie to yourself, the better of a tool you become to those manipulating you... stop allowing yourself to be used, acknowledge your mistakes, learn from them, and move on... but don't run and hide and keep preaching the mantra... thats sad...

    it would appear you don't practice what you preach, because you've allowed propaganda to triumph over the math I've proven... the ends justify the means? whatever it takes? lie cheat steal deny deflect repeat? is that your new motto?
     
  2. Statistikhengst

    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

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    He sure seems to be resonating with older, very angry white folks.

    With the rest? Meh....
     
  3. Smedley

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    Well, he is promising to "make America great again". Kind of the same thing. LOL!
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    From what I have heard more than a few times that the Black Lives Matters activist have made it clear that only black lives matters not white lives or all lives.

    Go figure.
     
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    Why not take a look at the BLM " shenanigans " and you can see even worst hateful , racist , bullying , acts !!! Like I said this is all BS ! Get over the fact HilLIARy is a loser !
     
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    Enjoy ......
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Epa4kBMfA0c
     
  7. DarkSkies

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    I thought it was just me. I wonder if some posters aren't really bots.
     
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    Trump is a Republican problem, a problem they have to deal with. Since the Democrats will run Clinton, they better hope Trump wins the GOP nomination. He is about the only Republican candidate Hillary is beating today, at least according to RCP averages. Then too Trump is the only Republican candidate with as high an unfavorable rating as Clinton among independents.

    The way I see it, Trump would have to get at least 65% of the white vote to win next year if not more. But he has a problem that hasn't been mentioned, inside a few polls one finds around 30% of Republicans state they would never vote for him. Trump currently in a head to head match up between him and Clinton, Trump wins the white vote 52-36, loses the Hispanic vote to Clinton 24-70 and loses the black vote 8-81.
     
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    LOL! Well the GOP establishment has sent latinos, a man insulting muslims, a woman and now a black guy in order to try and take Trump down. All have failed. Cue the Native American.
     
  10. WillReadmore

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    I'm pretty confident that will change.

    The GOP candidates are touting nonsense in national security, economics, and immigration. Today, the GOP is pretty much ignoring actual policy. That won't hold up in a head to head debate with Clinton, who knows this stuff inside out and is a pretty serious hawk.
     
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    We'll see. The problem today is outside of their base, neither Trump or Clinton is liked by those in the middle or the so called independents. That also goes for Bush also. Will the debates change that? The debates may make one dislike one or the other a bit less or a bit more. But to me something is dreadfully wrong with the two party system when the choices we are given are between two 60% dislikes.

    Even so, Clinton being a Democrat has an advantage of a larger base, roughly 29% of the electorate vs. 25% for the Republicans if one believes the figures Gallup provides. That 4% is the exact percentage Obama won by in 2012. So Clinton does not have to win the independent vote, just keep it relitive close like Obama did in 2012. Obama actually lost the independent vote 48-51 to Romney. But with a larger base that was irrelevant.

    What has changed between November of 2012 and today is party strength or the base vote. In 2012 it was 35-30 in favor of the Democrats. As of 11 Nov 2015 it is 29-25 in favor of the Democrats. Even so as to the popular vote, Clinton still has that advantage.

    Personally, at this point in time I agree with you. Clinton would defeat Trump and probably easily or at least the spread would be more akin to 2008 than 2012. But with a little less than a year to go, who knows what unforeseen event like Paris could happen. That could upset the whole apple cart. Time will tell.
     
  12. WillReadmore

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    Yes, I agree there could be significant change between now and then.

    I'm not so sure it would be national security related, as Clinton is on the hawk side with total command of what we are doing, who the players are, what strategies have been considered, what our military can do, etc. If it's a national security event, no GOP candidate will have the upper hand, I suspect.

    But, that certainly doesn't mean there couldn't be events that would be bad for her. She needs every day she can get from separation from the GOP investigations, for example.
     
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    Well said and I think accurate.
     

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