Mistakes we have made in the struggle against islamic jihad

First of all....naming it a 'war against terrorism'

2. Making it a limited war.

3. Refusing to secure our borders.

4. Allowing muslims(particuarly of military age)to come and go from America, to study in America, to immigrate to America.

5. Failing to adequately deal with fanatical muslims already living here at the time of 9-11. Instead of dealing with them in a common sense manner(intern or deport) we simply chose to monitor them...to watch them..which of course requires a lot of manpower...which could be better used for other things.

6. Proclaiming Islam to be a religion of peace.

7. Not putting adequate pressure on the Saudis.

8. Not updating our sediton laws....way too much sedition(primarily amongst liberals) going on in this country whilst we are at war...should not be allowed...extremely foolish to allow it.

9. Bring back the draft....which would get the people involved...if nation is truly at war...people expect demands to be made, sacrifices to be made....instead we allowed people to ignore the war...not to take it seriously...because we relied on volunteers to fight the war the general public did not feel comitted......and eventually as a result they turned on Bush.

10. Invading Iraq on a false pretense...If they could not prove Hussein had wmd's then they should not have based the pretext of the war on the fact they thought he did.

Just a few off the top of my head....I am sure others could name more errors in this so called War on Terrorism.

 

Before the liberals jump in and call you racist, let me remind them that muslim is a religion, not a race.

 

How about I call him a fascist instead for wanting to criminalize free speech and widely institute government slavery?

 

That's fine.

 

Regarding Point #9.....If the Draft were to be brought back, there would be many demonstrations against it and many parents would join them because who in their right mind wants to see their son drafted to fight a futile war in the Middle East?

 

But then all those people would be guilty of "sedition" and we could just kill them for being traitors.

 

Traitors to what exactly? Stupidity?

 

11. Supporting Israel.

12. Supporting Saudi Arabia

13. Not supporting Palestinians.

Allowing right wing sedition.

14. Invading Iraq poorly

 

Overreaction comes with it its own potential negatives. What is the upside of the reverse of #6 that being proclaiming Islam to be a religion of violence? Doing so makes 1.7 billion people our enemy when the actual number of terrorist and their supporters are far fewer that 1.7 billion.

If we proclaim Islam to be a religion of violence then how do you imagine that will impact #7 placing adequate pressure on Saudi Arabia? Do you think labeling Islam a religion of violence will elicit compliance from Islamic countries?

And what of #2, are you advocating a war against all Islam and its 1.7 billion people?

 

"First of all....naming it a 'war against terrorism'"

I think some thought at first this could replace the "cold war" and be ever lasting

the problem is.... they may have been too right, as a group of five people can be terrorists, thus it can always exist, no mater how small

when we say we have ISIS contained in Iraq, a handful of people can attack somewhere else and then anyone saying Iraq is contained would be attacked as an example

every-time terrorists attacks now, one party attacks the other and tries to help the terrorists spread the fear, that is only helping the terrorists as their goal is to spread fear

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Terrorism is a tactic. Fighting against a tactic is stupid

 

I said we should not have proclaimed it a religion of peace.............I did not suggest we proclaim it a religion of violence....that perogative should be left for the people to decide....we should not coinfuse them by calling it a religion of peace most especially when islamists are engaged in killing Americans....no real American will kowtow to anyone who is in the business of killing Americans. I find it particuarly offensive that our Commander-in-Chief would trot around the world and call Islam a religion of peace....utter stupidity much like most of the comments I see so far on this thread....pathetic...it demonstrates very clearly how coinfused the liberal crowd is.

 

Exactly....and what does is to coinfuse people......when at war and when you lead a nation into War as Bush did.....he should have at least understood who we are at war with....at least someone should have informed him of that....his daddy said george would have some good advisors....apparantly not or he did not listen to them. A commander-in-Chief who leads American Troops into Battle but refuses to identify the enemy is guilty of malfeasance of office at the very least.

 

If Islam is not a religion of peace, nor do you endorse calling it a religion of violence, then what label would you prefer be placed upon the religion?

 

One person can be a terrorist....we should not worry about helping the terrorists if we (our leadership) tells the truth....not telling the truth is what helps the enemy.

There is much coinfusion not only amongts the people but in both the parties leadership....those who are wrong need to be corrected, those who are coinfused need to be enlightened.....worry about how such might help terrorists is ridiculous.....fear will not kill you. All this jabberwocky about fear like it is some fatal disease is ridiculous.....nothing bad about being afraid of real dangers...quite to the contrary fear is a powerful motivator. One thing I noticed after 9/11 was widespread apathy and denial ...now that is something to worry about....apathetic people who go into denial want to continue their lives like there is no war, like we have nothing to fear ...such is a very bad thing because it does nothing to support the kind of actions the government needs to take to defeat the enemy....now here we are approaching Thanksgiving ....l5 years after 9-11 and the people are being threatened by our enemy and adivised by our Government that we may be attacked.

 

We should tell the facts about the religion....just the facts....of course Bush knew nothing about Islam and probably still doesn't......but he could have had religious scholars explain Islam to the people. Just coming out and posting a label on it would not educate people....the people need to be educated about islam.

 

Who gets to decide what the facts are and by what authority?

 

Like what ? What would the scholars say?

 

Look the muslim people are not the ones coinfused about this struggle.....they know exactly what is going on. They laugh...have a very good laugh at stupid Ameicans calling them peaceful. Muslims despise weakness and that is what they see when our leaders call Islam a peaceful religion. Their primary education is the learning of the Qu'ran....they know better than I or any American the true nature of Islam.

What we should have declared war against was Islamic Jihadists....that would have sent the proper message....aka....take arms and you are our enemy.

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Look the muslim people are not the ones coinfused about this struggle.....they know exactly what is going on. They laugh...have a very good laugh at stupid Ameicans calling them peaceful. Muslims despise weakness and that is what they see when our leaders call Islam a peaceful religion. Their primary education is the learning of the Qu'ran....they know better than I or any American the true nature of Islam.

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Look the muslim people are not the ones coinfused about this struggle.....they know exactly what is going on. They laugh...have a very good laugh at stupid Ameicans calling them peaceful. Muslims despise weakness and that is what they see when our leaders call Islam a peaceful religion. Their primary education is the learning of the Qu'ran....they know better than I or any American the true nature of Islam.

What we should have declared war against was Islamic Jihadists....that would have sent the proper message....aka....take arms and you are our enemy.

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Look the muslim people are not the ones coinfused about this struggle.....they know exactly what is going on. They laugh...have a very good laugh at stupid Ameicans calling them peaceful. Muslims despise weakness and that is what they see when our leaders call Islam a peaceful religion. Their primary education is the learning of the Qu'ran....they know better than I or any American the true nature of Islam.

What we should have declared war against was Islamic Jihadists....that would have sent the proper message....aka....take arms and you are our enemy.

 

Look the muslim people are not the ones coinfused about this struggle.....they know exactly what is going on. They laugh...have a very good laugh at stupid Ameicans calling them peaceful. Muslims despise weakness and that is what they see when our leaders call Islam a peaceful religion. Their primary education is the learning of the Qu'ran....they know better than I or any American the true nature of Islam.

What we should have declared war against was Islamic Jihadists....that would have sent the proper message....aka....take arms and you are our enemy.

 

Ax one or do some research....or is that too much for you? Anyhow you will get different opinions.....and you can decide for yourself which one you think is correct.

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You live in America....you get to decide for yourself ....who or what you want to believe.

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I would agree with l2 and l4.

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I do not think name calling is allowed on here...or perhaps I am mistaken.

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Depends on your definition of free speech. Government Slavery?

 

Let them demonstrate....who cares? The war is futile so far because we are not winning it. If fought correctly it should not have taken more than a couple of years.

Now we are back where we started....no progress in this war...we need a new commander.

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You said it not me.

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bunch of duplicate posts....some kind of glitch...sorry.

 

I define free speech as including all speech, even that which I personally find offensive.

And yes, government slavery. Drafting people to fight against their will is slavery.

 

Islam is a religion of peace to some and a religion of intolerance to others. I see Islam as a religion of peace as I do not view the terrorists as Muslims, but as criminals using the guise of religion to further their hate and intolerance. There is a difference between being part of a religion, and being part of a terrorist group that uses the facade of religion to mask their self based agenda of hate.

 

So what are the facts about Islam?