France Likely To Close Over 100 Mosques It Says 'Preach Hatred'

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  1. ThirdTerm

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    The French government announced on Wednesday that three mosques deemed to be "radical" have been closed down in the wake of the Paris terror attacks. The mosque in Lagny was formerly led by the imam Mohamed Hammoumi, known for his radical sermons and who is accused of recruiting volunteers for jihad in Syria, according to Le Parisien newspaper. Hammoumi and a number of his followers reportedly fled to Egypt in December 2014.

    http://www.thelocal.fr/20151202/france-forces-closure-of-three-radical-mosques

    I'm not sure of there are over 100 mosques in France which are responsible for sending jihadists to Syria but any mosques, which have close ties to ISIS, need to be shut down. France tolerated jihadist mosques too long in the name of religious freedom and hundreds of ISIS fighters departed France and came back to the country as potential suicide bombers.
     
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    Shut them all down but 1. Then ring it with tanks. That might deliver the message.
     
  3. Grizz

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    If the belief that more guns make us safer, that test has been met. More guns, particularly those that make killing easier, most definitely do NOT make us safer. We just wind up with more dead and injured. So, time to try something else, like back to a time when we had a saner population and weapons of war were simply not available to the general public. Yeah, something like that.

    Psssst - guns and knives were not designed for the sole purpose of killing. Just thought I'd mention that.
     
  4. Pred

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    As should we. Every mosque in the US should be on crackdown. Any inklings of condoning this event or any violence against Americans should be met with the hammer coming down instantly. Every person there should be investigated thoroughly.
     
  5. Josh77

    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are living in a dream world. Look at all the gun free zones that have been the site of mass murder. If you pass laws to take away all the guns, it will basically be as effective as laws that have been passed against illegal drugs. The guns will still fall into the hands of criminals, no matter how many laws there are, and the slaughter will continue. More guns in the hands of good law abiding citizens is what we need. A gun is a tool, nothing more. It will not kill just because it exists. If there are more in the hands of evil people, more evil will be done. If put in the hands of good people, more good will be done. It's not rocket science.
     
  6. Grizz

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    I grew up in that world where guns were always around, but not modern weapons of war. Did people get killed with them? Yep, but nothing on the scale of what's happening today.


    Neither I nor anyone sane would suggest passing a law or laws that outlaw all guns. Why do you come to that conclusion?

    And the more guns that are floating around with purchasing loopholes you could fly a B-52 through, the more criminals will have guns.

    Horsecrap. We've already tried that and it's been nothing but a major fail. Time to try something else.

    Every gun was designed for one purpose and one purpose only - killing at a distance. And we've gotten very good at making even better guns that do just that, handed them out to civilians who have no business with them, and have been reaping the rewards of that exercise with stacks of bodies from coast to coast.
     
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    I doubt that this story is actually true. The Guardian is well known for pandering to right wing xenophobes in the US. After all, it is a tabloid, and they have the sort of yellow journalism that right wing audiences respond to down pat.
     
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    Reminds me a lot of what several leftists have told me about gun owners: they're all good guys until they become a bad guy.

    Well that's sort of the point of the judiciary is it not; to demonstrate guilt on an individual level before you start f***ing people over?
     
  9. justlikethat

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    Dude please, you are a leftist!
     
  10. justlikethat

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    LOL All news outlets that don't fit the left's narrative lean to the right, didn't you know that!
     
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    Then why is gun violence down while gun ownership at all time highs?
     
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    Actually more people used to die from violence before the gun was invented back when everyone went around armed with a blade proportionally speaking

    There are guns like swords that are works of art and never intended to kill or shoot anything
     
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    There are just so many holes in each one of your arguments I don't have the time to address them all but will address a few.

    You say you grew up where guns were always around but not weapons of war and there was no near the deaths like today.

    Well first of all semi-automatic guns have been around for generations, I used a semi-auto 7mm mag to hunt deer in the early 1970s and that was a hand me down. Another misconception you used was that semi auto guns are "modern weapons of war" that is an ignorant statement, things the looney left politicians who don't know their ass from their elbows taught you.
    Your claim insinuates that murders by guns are on the rise, you couldn't be any further from the truth.

    Facts are surly not on your side my friend, murder rates by guns are around the same as they were in the 1950s while gun sales have almost quadrupled in that same time frame!

    And the most naive statement you made was saying no sane person would suggest taking all guns away from Americans.
    Unless you agree with me that Hillary Clinton is not sane!
     
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    You're right, they should continue to allow these mosques too stay open, so they can spew their death cult rehtoric, and create radicalized murderes. Completely brilliant strategy on your part.:rolleyes:
     
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    I don't know what these mosques are saying, I'm only saying that shutting down mosques in general is a baaaad idea.
     
  16. Grizz

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    There are more guns, absolutely, but a lot fewer households have them on hand. Which means that the number of guns is rising even as the number of owners is declining:

    •The US has an estimated 283 million guns in civilian hands
    •Each year about 4.5 million firearms, including approximately 2 million handguns, are sold in the United States
    •An estimated 2 million second hand firearms are sold each year
    •The percentage of American households with a gun has been steadily declining (high of 54% in 1977 to 33% in 2009)
    •The average number of guns per owner has increased from 4.1 in 1994 to 6.9 in 2004.


    While there has been a definite decline in gun violence, there are a lot of reasons for it, some of which you may not even have heard of, but NONE of them having to do with MORE GUNS in the hands of "good people who are armed".

    Oh, please. That one has whiskers on it. You can do better.
     
  17. Penrod

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    Like Islam Mosques are more than just a place to go worship god. Our troops regularly enter them to search for things in the ME.
     
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    There was a lot more fighting before the advent of the gun. Kids used to bring guns to school but they didnt shoot anyone. You think twice before shooting someone as there is a good chance you will kill them. Not so much with a blade. Guns are a civilizing thing.
     
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    No, you are wrong, gun violence has gone down, and maybe you can explain why California who is totally ran by liberals, with some of the nations strictest gun laws has not banned assault weapons when all those liberal loons are screaming to ban them?

    Are you suggesting the NRA controls the liberal government of California? :roflol:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/12/06/can-tough-gun-laws-end-mass-shootings/76875110/

    While nearly 40 states have relaxed gun rules in the last two decades, California has enacted more than 50 major gun bills since 1994. The pro-gun control Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, based in San Francisco, gave California's laws an A- in 2014, the highest grade given to any state. Guns & Ammo Magazine, with a pro-gun rights stance, ranked the state fourth-worst in the country for gun ownership.
     
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    Agreed. As well, you're going to create situations conducive to introducing radicalized Muslims to their non radicalized counterparts.
     
  21. Steady Pie

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    Is the constitution leftist? They have a right to preach. They have a right to speak anything they like until it is directed to incite imminent lawless action as per Brandenburg v Ohio. I don't necessarily think SCOTUS' review is decent (as they are regularly wildly off the mark in my view), but this seems like an area where they've got it right. Protections for inflammatory speech need to be extremely strong for free speech to have any meaningful presence in society - the mundane sort doesn't need protecting.

    None of this is in any way related to leftism. Quite the opposite, I see your views as heavily indebted to the progressive era. Being strongly in favour of free speech does not make one a leftist.
     
  22. justlikethat

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    What I'm saying is, many people like you give the false impression that your message is coming from a independent or centrist position, I'm just letting you know, it doesn't work.

    You can call yourself anything you like and likewise, I can you out on it!
     
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    Total surveillance?

    Well, I guess it's good that big brother sees you. Maybe the best thing to do would be to install two-way TV screens in ever room of every house in the world.

    But then again, I might be an anomaly, in that I don't consider the ending to 1984 a happy one.
     
  24. AmericanNationalist

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    I find as long as it's targeted, we won't reach 1984. That's just my opinion.
     
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    You don't think it's bad enough to use "total surveillance" against any and all muslims, without so much as a single shred of suspicion of any illegal activity?
     

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