Most gay couples probably aren't getting married even now that it's legal

No doubt it seems so to those devoid of any understanding of it. To the rest of us they're no more theoretical than the laws of thermodynamics.

 

The 14th amendment addresses citizenship rights. Citizenship is the fact that gets you qualified.

Yes, marriage isn't about the state regulating activity between the sexes. State marriage is a contract that the state offers involving benefits and requirements.


Bathrooms and prison cells are separate for reasons that are considered by the courts to be adequately justified. There can be exceptions even to the first 10 amendments. For instance, there are limits to speech, laws related to gun ownership, etc. You are free to challenge these exceptions, of course.

 

Marriage is far more than a Contract. But as with most everything else, the Left must reduce marriage down to its lowest common denominator, as a means to render it meaningless. Which always results in the same chaos, calamity and catastrophe... and this nonsense will be no exception.

FTR: This is also the only way that Leftists can qualify as "Americans".

 

And the self-righteous hardcore righties filled with delusion, imagine that they have a patent on human emotions and relationship intricacies. What a farce!

 

Once again... the Left advances baseless assertion as argument.

In debate, we call that a failure to sustain one's assertion... which yields to the points which it was advanced to oppose; which is otherwise known as a CONCESSION TO THOSE STANDING POINTS.

Your concession is duly noted and summarily accepted.

 

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There is a BIG difference between theoretical laws of physical science (ex; Boyle's law of gasses) and of philosophy....don't ya know?

 

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That would be your OPINION which can be easily dismissed.

 

I will agree that the state should not give tax benefits simply for being married, provided that applies to all marriages.

 

it's called sexual orientation.

are you having trouble understanding basic English now? It is demonstrably false that homosexuality is a mental disorder.

well, it's a proven fact it's not a mental disorder. so............

correcting you isn't a deception on my part, lol

 

except thermodynamics is an observable and testable theory. "natural law" is a philosophical man made construct.

 

If a piece of paper shared by people not in one's relationship defines or reduces one's relationship, then I can only assume that they see wedding bands as the adult version of a letterman's jacket as opposed to their commitment to their spouse.

 

The title: """Most gay couples probably aren't getting married even now that it's legal """"

earns the biggest " So what? " of the year.


Is everything you don't like caused by "cultural Marxism" ???

 

Actually, what any couple may choose to make of it is their business, but the State's role is in regard to the contractual aspect.

Islamic theocracies may intrude and dictate strictures beyond such legal recognition, rights, and responsibilities, but advanced Western nations respect the couple's freedom in that regard.

 

A significant percentage of opposite-sex couples don't get married either and the "right" does not have to be exercised for it to exist while the violation of the right exists regardless of whether people choose to exercise the right or not.

 

So, are you interested in the state taking the place of the church in marriage, including the elements of religious belief that go beyond what constitutes state marriage?

You need to figure out what it is that you really want. Then, feel free to post that.

It's easy to carp about what you don't want, especially when using vague terms and ridiculous generalizations.

 

Physical laws are of course not theoretical, and neither is natural law.

 

There's nothing ambiguous in anything I've said... thus there is nothing complex about discerning 'what I want'. Therefore your would-be 'contribution', is obfuscation... .

Marriage, is the Joining of One Man and One Woman.

This established by human physiology... . It represents the standard which promotes the highest potential for the viability of the Human Species.

Of course... that design must overcome perverse reasoning which seeks to separate the species from adherence to and respect FOR the standard that promotes the highest probability in sustaining viability.

See how that works?

That a depraved strain of reasoning has captured a certain amount of popularity among the pop-culture... does not alter human physiology... nor does it alter normality, established by that standard... and this without regard to 'Democrats', using an infinitesimal minority of 5 people, to over-turn the legislative will of the majority of the people, who elected the majority of the Legislators in the majority of the states... who passed bills which were signed by the majority of the Governors, to recognize, respect, defend and adhere to the laws of nature which define MARRIAGE: AS THE JOINING OF ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN!

 

Thank you... I'd only point out that the recent Federal Licensing of Degeneracy, came about purely as the means of the Left to define Marriage down to the absurd.

But hey... that's also the only way that Leftists are able to claim themselves as Americans. They reduce the term down to a geographic context, claiming that anyone in 'the Americas', is an American. Despite the truth being that Americans are those who recognize, respect, defend and adhere to the Principles that define... America.

 

Sorry about those "Leftists" that fester in your noggin, or is it the American people and the populace of advanced Western nations from whom you are alienated?

 

Hate to be a broken record, but gay people procreate.

Gay people can and do naturally procreate, they have been doing it for millennia. So the foundation of your argument is faulty.

I suggest gay people are humans and being so they reproduce the same way any other human does.

Marriage is more about providing a stable home for children to grow in. So there is plenty of merit.

 

Laws of physics are like gravitational constants. Natural law is whatever you want it to be or need it to be to suit the purposes of the argument.

 

First, a couple points:

- Human sexuality is not limited to external genitalia. THAT is what we find from the law of nature.

- We have single parents as well as parents of the same gender. The recent SC decision did not change that.

State marriage is about promoting stability. For example, it is the state marriage contract that requires support for children following death of a parent, divorce, etc. For example, in sickness, job loss, etc., the marriage forms a support structure - with the state taking on a support role only after the marriage becomes inadequate to the task.

You say it is about kids, which it is to some extent. But, it isn't an advantage to society to deny marriage to same sex parents. Marriage plays a positive role in families. Denying marriage isn't an improvement.


Finally, take a look at polling data to see what America thinks about same sex marriage. My state (WA) voted in favor of same sex marriage in 2012. Others did, too.

In a poll from last June, Pew Research found that 55% of America is in favor of same sex marriage while 39% oppose.

Plus, the SC decision was an open and shut case of 14th amendment rights. And, civil rights are not decided on the basis of popularity. In fact, other SC civil rights decisions were really no more popular than this one.

 

Not with each other

 

Some gays agree or not, are intelligent enough to realize Marriage was nothing more than a word the left used for politcal gain and will either remain unmarried to avoid that false nonsense or go with the other alternatives that pretty much do almost the same thing.

 

Natural law of course, is philosophical.