Muslims pridicament

Ok answer me this.

Here are the facts: White people make up 67% of the population.

Black people make up 13% of the population.

Why people within the mere 13% are murdering more than people within the vast majority 67%?

There. This question could not be more legitimate. I've worded it so not to blame an entire race/ Let's see you deflect again.

 

I don't know the answer, neither do you.

White race cars win more races than green ones. Only an idiot would assume that means white paint makes your car go faster.



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So members within one race (black) are killing more than members in another, much larger race (white).

We've established this. Good. Now we're getting somewhere.

 

Henry Lee Lucas seems to hold the record, he murdered 600 people. Henry is within the 67%.



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Good observation.

 

Muslims are the primary victims of these Jihadists, they are quite literally more likely to be victims of terrorism than terrorists themselves, and if anything is going to push Muslims toward an anti-American agenda and incentiviz them to join extremists, it is treating all 1.5 billion of them as our enemy

 

I've been hearing this meme and I admit, I don't follow the logic of it. You seem to be saying that we have to allow immigration of Muslims to the US because if we don't, peaceful moderate Muslims will go full jihadi and become radicalized? All because they think they have the right to run convenience stores in the US?

Meanwhile, I don't believe any majority muslim countries allow the immigration of non-Muslims. And yet...I don't feel the urge to go full jihadi on them. In fact, I don't think that even bothers me that Saudi Arabia won't allow me to move to their country and establish some house of worship in a non-Muslim religion, Nor do I feel the need to visit Mecca, where I'm forbidden to visit, based solely on my non-Muslim status. Discrimination! Ack!

Although Muslims may be the primary victim of Muslims (although Middle Eastern Christians-the few that are left-and Yazidis may argue with you on that point), that doesn't seem to justify importing the problem, Islam, into my country.I'm not looking to make enemies of 1.5 billion Muslims, but on the other hand if you think that simply keeping them from immigrating here will cause that very thing to happen, then to me, that proves the wisdom of my policy.

 

No, I am naming what is referred to in the Art Of War as the number one principle to victory, and that is what is referred in the book as "moral influence" which is stated in the book as that which puts the people in harmony with the military leaders. Terrorists organizations quite literally use our actions to convince Muslims that we are not merely at war with terrorist organizations like them, but Islam itself... and when I say they use our own actions against us I do not mean our refugee program alone

The goal of these groups has always been to convince Muslims that our military actions are a part of a greater western conspiracy to destroy Islam, and what is currently being proposed in the US isn't just halting refugee intake, but banning ALL Muslims from entering the country.. this is an action that without question can be used to further fuel the conspiracy theory that the US is at war with Islam itself

heck, many US citizens believe we are at war with Islam, and use that as a justification for banning all Muslims from the US. If that's what many Americans believe, then imagine how easy we'll be making it for these groups to convince people on the other side of the world that we are at war with Islam

It's also funny that you would say you don't mind Saudi Arabia's actions, because if they had military bases in your home state and dedicated most their military activities toward bombing nearby Christian nations, you would probably be freaking out

 

We've allowed Muslim immigration for quite a while, and I can't see that it's lead to any sort of outbreak of good feelings towards the US from Muslim countries. If your goal in allowing it is to try to tamp down on crazed conspiracy theories in the Middle East, forget it. I'm sorry, but that whole concept just strikes me as dumb. I don't want the issues that the UK and France have with their much higher percentage of Muslims. Even if you're right, and keeping Muslims out drives them crazy over in the Middle East....they're over in the Middle East. I would rather have them crazed there than here.

I'm open to a good example if you could provide one that was in any way realistic.

 

What? There are 40,000 Americans living and working in Saudi Arabia and they hold church services and Sunday school in many compounds and oil camps.. in the theater, the school, The Girl Scout Annex.. and are encouraged to do so.

Why are you pontificating about KSA when you know so little about the lives of Westerners who live there?

 

Mind you, there is a difference between "converting" to a religion, I.e, change of one religion, and being that religion from the beginning.

 

Another reason to keep such places contained. Let the savages be savages and not spread out of their borders.

 

Why savage? Judaism make such a distinction too, as far as I know

 

Muslims have a better chance of winning Powerball than becoming a victim of abuse.

 

Judaism doesn't try to kill you for becoming a Christian or a Muslim.

Islam is special; it's the only religion that murders its people for joining another faith.

 

Islam doesn't kill you just for quitting Islam either, nor does it "excommunicate" you

 

Israel and Jews worldwide are not saints either. But don't ignore the fact that Muslims are part of about 80% of the world's conflicts Today in 2015. Islamic believers have a huge problem with their aggression. They should look at how Christians have behaved themselves so well, that they have not fought each other in warfare over religious differences for over 400 years.

The savages, (usually Sunnis) like Boko Haram, ISIS and the Taliban, are uncivilized brutes. They live to destroy, to rape, to plunder and place others under their boot.

 

For Christians, you just need to go half a century ago, if you want to generalize killers to their religious peers.

 

Sorry dude, take a history class. The last time Christians fought each other over religious differences was the 30 years War ending in 1648.

 

Neither did I claim they killed Christians, nor does it need to be "intra-religion". Such sects consider others infidels, to the best of my knowledge.

 

That example is the reality of the US is in the middle east, we do have military bases in Saudi Arabia, and we do bomb nearby Muslim countries. Some Muslims believe our goal is to destroy Islam itself, and it is that mindset that these extremist groups feed off of. When we declare the entire Muslim world our enemy and blockade every Muslim from entering the US, we are only feeding that mindset that the US is at war with Islam

The funny thing is at the same time I received this alert of you quoting my post, I received an alert in another thread of an individual telling me we are at war with Islam.. as I said earlier, if this is a conspiracy theory that Americans are falling for, imagine how much easier we are making it to convince Muslims the same thing when we respond by treating all of them as the enemy

 

That's the second time you've mentioned US forces in Saudi Arabia. Just how many forces do we have in Saudi Arabia anyway? I would be surprised if it was very many since the US presence mostly left in 2003. Is this going to be one of those things that they are still going to be carrying a grudge about 800 years from now? If that's what they're mad at then there is no basis on trying to appease them, which seems to be your point; that we have to constantly appease them or they'll get very very angry with us, but right now they're already angry with us.

You seem to think we have some sort of responsibility to try to appease their constant conspiracy theories. We can't stop them from coming here because they'll go berserk if we do. Yeah, exactly the type of people we want coming here.

 

The US currently has 5 military bases in Saudi Arabia, you can brush it off as something the people over there shouldn't care about, but the fact of the matter is if Saudi Arabia had a military base in your home state and were bombing surrounding Christian nations, you would be flipping out.

and no it's not just the military bases in Saudi Arabia, it's also the fact that we are bombing 7 different Muslim countries at once, it's also our less than neutral position in the territorial dispute between Palestine and Israel (the US was one of the 9 countries out of 188 to vote against the UN recognizing Palestine's existence)




Now here's the thing, all of these Muslim countries are our allies, our enemy is limited to these organizations that are doing their best to convince as many Muslims as they can that the US is at war with Islam, and they have even gone as far as declaring war on various Muslim governments for assisting the US's military campaigns. The predicament we are in goes back to the number one principle listed in the Art Of War, which is winning over the hearts and minds of the people against your enemy. Declaring every Muslim in the world the enemy will only lose us the support we need

 

So if Muslims hate us for our military bases and bombings, we would have to be insane to let them into our country. You seem to think that we can buy good will by letting them immigrate here, even though I noticed that didn't put a damper on 9/11. I don't understand how you could for even a second think that would buy "hearts and minds" of people you say we're bombing.

 

You seem to be under the impression that we are already enemies with the Islamic world. We are not at war with Islam, that is exactly the kind of propaganda that the extremists we are fighting are trying to preach.. but if we declare all Muslims our enemy, we are only feeding the rhetoric that we are at with with Islam. We will lose hearts and minds

Where we are currently we share a common enemy with the Islamic world, but there are still tensions between us and them. We must take the necessary precautions to avoid further tensions, as is our military is occupying their land, and that has been used against us to promote conspiracy theories that we are there to destroy Islam

It's not about buying good with the people we are already fighting, it's about not enabling the people we are fighting to recruit more against us

I am not saying we are enemies with them and we need to win them back, I am saying that we need to avoid making enemies out of people who are not our enemies