"Stop Hiding Behind the Second Amendment"

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  1. danielpalos

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    Who do you account for freedom of association?
     
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    This isn't the Boy Scouts or the basket weaving group down at the church. These are two incredibly powerful organizations that have infiltrated the government at every level, and basically neutered the constitution. Democrats and republicans (mostly the leadership and their owners, rich/elites) are the two biggest problems in this country. They are a threat to our very existence, and the sheeple who continue to keep them relevant even with all the evidence that they are a danger to society, have only themselves to blame for the damage they have done and continue to do.
     
  3. danielpalos

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    The law is the law. Do you believe denying and disparaging freedom of association would be any better.
     
  4. JoeSixpack

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    Again I am not saying people do not have a right to associate, they can even agree on things, but these two organizations are the biggest threat to our country, and any individual or organization that becomes a threat should be dealt with. You can take the side of, oh well that's the law, so we just have to suffer the consequences, or you can open your eyes and stop being a part of the problem. Just saying.
     
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    Who's fault is that? There is no law requiring Persons to pick one Party or the other.
     
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    DOconTEX Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Or perhaps you can celebrate the relief and joy of a family that possessed the means to defend their lives against marauding intruders so THEIR children were not harmed when confronted by evil monsters like Daren Wint. Maybe this kind of thing wouldn't have happened:http://www.cbsnews.com/news/washington-dc-mansion-murders-suspect-caught/
     
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    All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy.
     
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    All people are by nature free and independent and have unalienable rights
     
  9. danielpalos

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    Do you have a Cause or are you just wasting your clue.
     
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    My cause is Liberty. If there is anyone around this place without a clue it is the guy who wastes his every waking moment typing fallacy into almost every post he does.

    Your position has been decimated and yet you make a feeble attempt to insult me. So, you have no legal training or experience. Have you ever been IN a citizen militia? Okay, that was rhetorical because if you had, you know the difference between a legal theory and the way the laws are practiced when you become a real citizen soldier.

    We've been over the differences between unalienable and inalienable rights; discussed what the militia is composed of; explored exactly WHAT the Bill of Rights is about. Still YOU remain clueless. So, please do us a favor and get some new material.
     
  11. danielpalos

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    Dude, it would help your alleged Cause, if you had some clue as to what you are debating.

    Rights in private property including the class called Arms are secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process.

    Here is another Constitutional right found in a State Constitution: The right of the people to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves and of the lawful authority of the state shall not be infringed, except that the manner of bearing arms may be regulated by law.

     
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    By the end of 2015, about 265 children under 18 picked up a firearm and shot someone by accident, and 83 of those shootings were fatal -

    Some 41 of those deaths involved the shooters themselves, and most of the shootings involved toddlers or teens who were playing recklessly with the guns -

    Nearly 1.7 million children live in households where guns are stored either loaded or not locked away -

    This makes American children 16 times more likely to be unintentionally killed by a gun, compared with similar countries.

    http://www.ibtimes.com/accidental-gun-deaths-involving-children-are-major-problem-us-2250568


    Let's stop the paranoid bellywhinging about big, bad liberals trying to deny firearm fanciers their guns on demand, and try to prevent these far-too-frequent tragedies,
     
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    Why not require gun lovers who want to keep and bear Arms register for posse duty?

    It should require that Persons who keep and bear Arms be more aware of the danger of Arms.
     
  14. JoeSixpack

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    Oh it is the people's fault that they are being duped and are so gullible when it comes to accepting one party of the scam over another, but the two parties are ingrained into the system. They own the process, they establish the rules, and oversee the counting of the votes. That is a dangerous recipe for corruption, and the fact that they are allowed to get away with it is disturbing to say the least.

    It will not change until more people wake the hell up and see that they are being played for all this country is worth. Ignorance is no excuse, but the practice of organized criminal activity (which is exactly what the two party scam is), or committing fraud and deception for unlawful gains is illegal even if the government (best government corporate money can buy) will not act against its own.
     
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    How about we go after the criminal element and the mentally deficient, but stop harassing the law abiding?
     
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    Amen.

    We surely can and need to do better, where it concerns firearms in this society.
     
  17. danielpalos

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    There is no excuse for the People being duped in our Republic due to our First Amendment and our modern Information Age.

    Results, not excuses, is what we need from the Electorate of the United States.

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    Why not require gun lovers who want to keep and bear Arms register for posse duty.

    Do you not believe that would help go after the criminal element?

    Posse comitatus is the common-law or statute law authority of a county sheriff, or other law officer, to conscript any able-bodied man to assist him in keeping the peace or to pursue and arrest a felon, similar to the concept of the "hue and cry."--https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_comitatus_(common_law)
     
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    I really don't understand why any firearm fancier feels the need to mount some feeble defence for the frequency of these tragedies and plead impotence at safeguarding against them.

    How do the deaths of kids as a consequence of guns in their homes or those of their neighbours enhance the image of the gun culture that they wish to portray?
     
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    Just being slackers and blaming the poor for, "poor lifestyle choices" so they can deny and disparage the poor from steak and lobster privileges on their ebt cards.
     
  20. JoeSixpack

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    You are talking to the wrong person. The sheriffs department in this area has come to me for assistance 10 times more than I have needed their assistance in the past decade, and the place I lived before, I was deputized by US Marshals on several occasions. The Marshals came to us because we knew the area, were better armed, and knew how to shoot and/or defend ourselves, as good or better than anyone they could have contacted who would have been there in a day or two. Citizens shouldn't have to be registered as posse affiliates, they should know and work with law enforcement officers in their area regardless. That includes major cities and gang bang infested (*)(*)(*)(*) holes as well. It takes the people who live in those neighborhoods, with the cooperation of law enforcement to keep them safe, and gang free.
     
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    Nobody has ever died in any of my families homes, as far back as I can remember, and I can't think of a family member who doesn't have guns and/or kids in and around the home on a regular basis. The people you are referring too are not responsible gun owners, and the generalizations you are assuming, to be the case are pathetically distorted to deliberately misinform.
     
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    Then you should have no complaints about keeping and bearing Arms, since you have lawfully done so in the presence of law enforcement in public venues.
     
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    Oh look, guns aren't even mentioned.

    http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/16/accidental-deaths-among-children-fall/

    The CDC rates on child mortality and firearms is .11 per 100k, out of the total statistic of 5 per 100k accidental child deaths. Hardly an epidemic.

    http://www.realclearpolicy.com/blog/2013/09/29/how_common_are_child_gun_accidents_666.html
     
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    Nor mine, nor have any been killed by ISIL terrorists for that matter, but that does not prevent me from honestly recognizing what we need to confront.

    "American children 16 times more likely to be unintentionally killed by a gun, compared with similar countries."

    Dismissing that tragic reality by saying, "Well, they're not my kids," doesn't adequately address the problem, imho.

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    My problem is harassing the law abiding and not profiling and harassing the criminals and the mentally deficient.

    You gotta have an ID to buy a gun, so if criminals and mentally disturbed individuals are identified by a classification on their ID, don't you think that would be more effective than harassing the entire population? Even a responsible party at a gun show could identify a criminal in such a manner without a bunch of background checks etc... Criminals/felons should have something on their ID anyway (their mug shot or a duel photo of their face and a profile shot so their can and will be no mistaking them), and you are not going to make criminals follow the law by making more laws against the law abiding, period.

    But this isn't about getting the guns out of the criminals, and mentally ills hands, it is about eventually full disarmament. You know it, I know it, so lets just stop pretending.
     

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