Methodist divestment highlights Israel’s place in the world

“The crucial assumption of the Peace Now movement is that it is within Israel’s power to choose peace, that there is something that Israel can give, a price it can pay “that would finally and fully purchase peace.

This price is widely believed to be denominated in land. The utterly conventional and obviously fantastic consensus view of nearly all authorities on the subject, reflected in the policies of most of the world’s governments led by the United States, is that the key problem in the Mideast is that Israel has too much land. Their remedy is for Israel to give up land, mostly to the Palestinian state as envisioned by these same experts. Awarded to the current Palestinian regime or to some similar successor, the result would be another fanatical anti-Jewish Muslim nation-state with no identity to sustain it beyond the Palestinian sense of eternal grievance and hatred of Israelis.

The dream of land for peace enchants Westerners precisely because it appears to embody all the directness, legality and simplicity of a purely commercial transaction, suggesting that some price(*)— this many square miles or that(*)— would close the deal to everyone’s satisfaction and reveal jihad to be nothing more and nothing less than a negotiating position to be terminated at will when the Israelis, at long last, pay up.”

Excerpt From: Gilder, George. “The Israel Test.”

Tis is not about the land, or occupied territories. There's no particular evidence the Arabs would wanted these lands for themselves if the Jews were not there. Israel is hated well...... Because it's full of Jews.

 

Yikes !
..............

Somebody better tell those Xtian, soon to be Ruptured, Porn-Again Ziozogs

Christian Zionism:
The Heresy that Undermines Middle East Peace
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35747.htm

The IRS will be burning all those Witches

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You're getting your information from a website that does.

There was no "cooperation". They did sign the Haavara Agreement, but that simply allowed Jews to leave Germany.

Your credibility just keeps declining. So far, you have quoted a guy who believes in the Illuminati and a guy who believes that the Holocaust was a hoax. Either way, I'll go ahead and explain how it might have been possible for Jews to serve in the Wehrmacht.

Under Halakhic law, you are considered a Jew if you have a Jewish mother or if you have formally converted to Judaism. Under the Nuremberg Laws, you were considered a Jew if you had three or four Jewish grandparents. This allowed some Jews to slip through the cracks.

Your definition of "credible" is obviously much different than mine.

 

What ! - A little in depth analysis too much for Yah ?
Where do yah get your political ideas 'Dutch' ? Out of a Can ?
.......................................................................................... of worms I'll bet
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Certainly not from reading and in-depth analyzing antisemitic sources...

 

What ! - Gersham College - a Den of Antisemitic vermin !
Tell us 'Dutch' - Are they Antisemitic because they hate Jews, - or are
they Antisemitic because they disagree with your twisted Zionist policies ?

 

The hate of Jews is natural for envious, unaccomplished, lesser people... Teh Envy is Teh Mother of all evils, you know...

 

What is a Methodist investment? I must divest.

 

An insecure projection put about by Jews who aren't smart enough to be included in the back-slapping party so they get to feel included and superior.

 

It seemed like with the advent of the Internet & Independent News Media to refute America's Zionist dominated Major Media [1], courageous & ethical actions like the Methodist divestment against the world's most barbaric, murderous & heavily subsidized criminal occupier have rapidly increased around the World.

In response to the challenge to Zionist dominated Major Media, the Israeli Government began to create & fund a very large, clandestine network of paid, trained & programmed Hasbara Trolls (aka "Israel Advocates) who are provided with scripted material composed by some of the world's top dollar PR experts like Frank Luntz. Today there are over 50,000 paid & scripted "Advocates" many of which are helping to run "under the radar" Propaganda Mills out of American universities & elsewhere:


“‘PMO stealthily recruiting students for online advocacy’”
"Government to play behind-the-scenes role in spreading pro-Israel information on social media via universities"
http://www.timesofisrael.com/pmo-stealthily-recruiting-students-for-online-advocacy/

EXCERPTS “The Prime Minister’s Office is working to set up a network of advocacy units in Israeli universities, operated by students who will receive scholarships for their effort.
The project requires the state’s role to be under the radar, making it appear as if the students are working independently under the auspices of the students’ union, he added.
Although the advocacy units will be under the auspices of the student unions, they will take their orders from the Prime Minister’s Office advocacy apparatus." CONTINUED


AND:

“Israel’s Information Ops”
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/israels-information-ops/
EXCERPT “ But the American public in particular should be aware of the extraordinary efforts that Israel and its supporters make to present a crafted and coordinated image through the media, particularly by way of the Internet.
When an intelligence organization seeks to influence opinion by creating and deliberately circulating false information, it is referred to as a “disinformation operation.”
But Israel has refined the art ....
.....in many cases paying students as part-time bloggers or exploiting diaspora Jews as volunteers to get its message out.
The practice is so systemic, involving recruitment, training, Foreign Ministry-prepared information sheets, and internet alerts to potential targets, that it is frequently described by its Hebrew name, hasbara, which means literally “public explanation.”CONTINUED

So, the "Paper Outrage" against courageous initiatives like the Methodist divestment is not coming from a large group of individual citizens but, largely, from a few, paid "Israel Advocates" in a Hasbara "War Room"


In spite of this Multi Million / Billion dollar, Israeli Government run Propaganda venture built on creating an army of better "disinformation artists", there are solid & multiple reasons that the Israeli government (not all Israelis) remains one of the most contemptible countries in the world:

“BBC Poll: Israel Among World's Least Popular Nations”
http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/bbc-poll-israel-among-world-s-least-popular-nations-1.525890
EXCERPT “The world's opinion of Israel has not improved in the last year: According to BBC World Service's annual poll, Israel is one of the least popular countries in the world; "CONTINUED

So, after over 4 decades of protesting inexcusable & irrefutable Zionist Israeli atrocities, War Crimes, Ethnic Cleansing & criminal Expansionism along with Jewish Human Rights groups, I've found the incessant & repeated howling of "Self-Hating Jew", "anti Semite" & their variations as simply the White Flags of a debunked debater & essential evasion ploy of those incapable of a meaningful, unscripted response.

Unfortunately, the many equally disgusted Israeli Jews of conscience like at B'tselem, for example, are overlooked in the global outrage at atrocities etc of the Israeli government & are being eclipsed by the Hate-Mongering, Zionist, extremist Right Wing & their scripted "Disinformation Network".

When you hear (read) "anti Semite" or "Self Hating Jew", you know you've won.


“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” -Socrates


Thanks,



[1] “DECLASSIFIED SENATE INVESTIGATION FILES REVEAL CLANDESTINE, ISRAELI PR CAMPAIGN IN AMERICA”
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...israeli-pr-campaign-in-america-100976089.html


[1] “The AZC's internal "Information and Public Relations Department" reports.”
http://irmep.org/ila/azc/

EXCERPT: “Between 1962-1963 the Senate Foreign Relations Committee subpoenaed internal reports of the American Zionist Council during its investigation into the activities of registered agents of foreign principals.
The following reports detail how the American Zionist Council(*)used the funding in a sophisticated campaign to cajole and intimidate news media, subvert open debate about Israel and undermine reporting about key issues of the day...
The Senate investigation closed down the conduit, but the extensive propaganda activities still go on." CONTINUED

 

George Gilder; "Unless a society...worships god...it worships satan,,," Nope, definitely not a crackpot.

 

Very much so though these are the extremist Rabbis, not to be confused with Jews like 'Rabbis for human rights' or Reform Judaism which is somewhat unacceptable in Israel.

This does reflect a growing difficulty between American Jews particularly those who have been imagining they could be Liberal and still Zionist and that particularly from when Bennett told the Saban Forum that the intention now was to annex 62% of the West Bank and keep the Palestinians without the right of self determination for ever. This did not go down well so we are beginning to see American Jews who one would never expect to criticise, doing so. This has resulted in the US Ambassador to Israel being critical

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-ambassador-little-jew-boy-in-escalating-row

As you will see being called a 'Little Jew Boy' by a former Netanyahu aid

Little Jewboy’ moment highlights coming divorce between US Jews and Israel

due to his completely relevant criticisms which even the New York times recognises was simply undeserved abuse as Israel works hard to produce the facts on the ground to go with Bennett's desires

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/23/o...-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=1

– Bennett did say that the one thing they still had to do was get the ordinary people of Israel round to their way of thinking – but they are definitely getting there. 45% of Israelis even believe that Arab citizens should not have equal rights to Jews in Israel proper with only 43% believing they should have equal rights.

http://972mag.com/poll-46-of-israeli-jews-dont-think-arabs-should-have-equal-rights/116100/

This illustrates that the people in danger of this extreme right State are not just those who are occupied but Arab citizens too.

Why do I say extreme right State rather than Government – because as Avnery says there is no opposition

http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1453474723/

I would say if anything he is underestimating the situation.

Just like Israel cannot take criticism from their US Ambassador sinking to such childish slurs as 'little jew boy' we see on this thread the usual allegations from the pro Israelis, - antisemites even antisemetic sources – rather than arguing what is said in the hope it will go away. In his book 'What Price Israel?' Lilienthal tells how even before Israel came into being that was the general cry, from by the way people of the Irgun who according to him were the people so easily able to mass brainwash the Americans through their media. Nothing changed. As then to Jews and non Jews alike.

However to go back to the extremists Rabbis as the talk by Gresham College pointed out along with a large list of quotes, the problem is not just some extremist Rabbi mouthing off, the point is that this is acceptable behaviour in Israel. People have been talking about this for some time – that these people are the people who have the ear of Government as Prof Levy illustrates in the quote I gave and that this thinking is in no way limited to the religious as you can see, for instance from the quote of Ayelet Shaked, now 'Justice' Minister of all things. I was in a rush when I did that and meant to highlight the bits concerning her but did not so they may have been missed

http://www.gresham.ac.uk/lectures-and-events/gaza-israel-the-legal-and-the-military-view

There is no question that Gresham College is correct that the free wheeling of such ideas, such ideas being not only not censored but rather leading to someone promoting them being promoted to 'Justice' Minister must have an extremely derogatory effect on all but the most aware citizens....but this of course is the intention in order to get them ruthless against the Palestinians both those who are citizens of Israel who likely will be evicted at some time and those in the West Bank and Gaza whose Israel intends to keep as basically prisoners without rights for ever and who is currently trying to create the situation on the ground – see US Ambassador to Israel and the New York Times response to this, to make this so.

Along with this as we would expect with any extreme right/fascist state there is currently a massive attack on Israeli human rights activists.

972 believes it is time for human rights activists in Israel, for the genuine Israel left, which they describe somewhere as 'tiny' to understand the Israeli State is at 'war' with them.

http://972mag.com/the-israeli-left-must-realize-it-is-at-war/116114/

This article talks about the work they are needing to do to replace ideology with facts

http://972mag.com/the-israeli-lefts-challenge-defeating-ideology-with-facts/116082/

but really as with the pro Israelis on this site it is like hitting a brick wall.

Israel has moved on her 'first the came for' down to 'then they came for the human rights activists' and yes, many agree with you that the extremist religious in Israel talk a talk similar to extremist Muslims. Unfortunately it is also spreading throughout the extreme right/fascist Government to the people. This all illustrates why there is no time to be lost and why the United Methodist Church like others has now realised action must be taken before it is too late – or as Gresham College pointed out, there is no point crying when the ultimate damage has been done. It is necessary to move before this time.

 

Why on earth would anyone envy Jewish people?

 

Since you can't refute the facts I DO state, you must continue to focus on Off-Topic Issues I do NOT state.

There are plenty of websites that state the same facts & make no reference to those unrelated issues you focus on to avoid attempting a genuine, On-Topic rebuttal.

There was far more co-operation between & preferential treatment given to Germany's Zionists, the World Zionist Organization Congress & the Nazi Party to the detriment of Germany's non Zionist Jews than you're willing to admit:

The Zionist Federation of Germany was the only other Political Party allowed in Nazi Germany just as the Star of David was the only other flag to fly beside the swastika flags.

Because of the similarity of the 2 ideologies, the World Zionist Organization Congress in 1933 defeated a resolution calling for action against Hitler by a vote of 240 to 43.

"THE NAZI ZIONIST PACT"
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/Zionist_not_jews.htm

EXCERPTS: "Therefore Zionism became the only other party legalized in the Reich, the Zionist flag the only other flag permitted to fly in Nazi-land. It was a painful distinction for Zionism to be singled out for favours and privileges by its Satanic counterpart."

The US Congress Bulletin.
It has been long forgotten that the only two flags allowed to fly in the Third Reich were the swastika and the blue-and-white Zionist banner.

On June 21, 1933 the Zionist Federation of Germany sent a memorandum of support to the Nazi Party. In it the Federation noted:

"... a rebirth of national life such as is occurring in German life ... must also take place in the Jewish national group."
"On the foundation of the new [Nazi] state which has established the principle of race, we wish so to fit our community into the total structure so that for us, too, in the sphere assigned to us, fruitful activity for the Fatherland is possible ..."

Additionally the World Zionist Organization Congress in 1933 defeated a resolution calling for action against Hitler by a vote of 240 to 43.

The Zionists brought Baron Von Mildenstein of the S.S. Security Service to Palestine for a six-month visit in support of Zionism. This visit led to a twelve-part report by Dr Joseph Goebbels, Hitler’s Minister of Propaganda, in Der Angriff (The Assault) in 1934 praising Zionism. Goebbels ordered a medallion struck with the Swastika on one side, and on the other, the Zionist Star of David."CONTINUED

AND:

“Wartime Collaboration Between Zionists
And The German Government”
https://middleeastatemporal.wordpre...n-between-zionists-and-the-german-government/

EXCERPT“There is ample evidence that world Zionism collaborated with the National Socialist government during the Second World War, in order to: (1) protect certain elitist Jews and their various interests; (2) pressure most of the Jews of Europe to leave; (3) thus, accomplishing the establishment of the state of Israel. More and more evidence has come to the forefront, demonstrating the truth about what at first seems to be an unlikely scenario. Nazis helping Jews? Jews helping Nazis?"CONTINUED

It seems like you're also unaware of the "Ankara Document":

“The Zionist-Nazi Collaboration”
http://dissidentvoice.org/2012/07/the-zionist-nazi-collaboration/
EXCERPT “At the end of the war a document, dated 11 January 1941, produced by Avraham Stern, proposing a military alliance and an understanding between the Third Reich and the Zionists was found in the German embassy in Ankara."CONTINUED

With the passage of time, more & more heavily repressed information about the co-operative machinations of the 2 "One Race" ideologies

I'm glad you don't deny the fact that about the 150,000 Jews who openly served in Germany's military in both WW 1 & WW 2 but it does dispel much of what is claimed by what Norman Finkelstein calls "The Holocaust Industry"

Please note that they were classified as "Full" Jews & rose to the highest ranks commanding thousands of men, tanks air power etc. 150,000 is more than a few that happened to "slip through the cracks"

“Hitler’s Jewish Army”
EXCERPT : “150 000 Jews in Hitler’s(*)Army”
http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/history/zionism/news.php?q=1195492523

EXCERPT "Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called 'full Jews' served in the German military with Adolf Hitler's knowledge and approval.

Cambridge University researcher Bryan Rigg has traced the Jewish ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler's soldiers, including two field marshals and fifteen generals (two full generals, eight lieutenant generals, five major generals), "men commanding up to 100,000 troops."

In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded Germany's highest military honor, the Knight's Cross.

One of these Jewish veterans is today an 82 year old resident of northern Germany, an observant Jew who served as a captain and practiced his religion within the Wehrmacht throughout the war.

So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

“If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED


The systematic & ongoing Ethnic Cleansing called for in the Zionist Plan Dalet is among the things that moved the Methodist divestment initiative. Whether you decide to regard it as "credible" or not is your choice. Your actively denying a reality so solid & easily verified, however, does significantly erode any credibility you may have had.

The facts are out there & no amount of denial or Hasbara chicanery will make them go away or serve Israel's best interests.

The repulsive policies of the Israeli government are Israel's greatest & real threat

 

Just to clarify this. Clearly the damage has been being done since WW1, the ultimate damage I mention and Gresham speaks of here concerns the stage we are approaching

http://www.gresham.ac.uk/lectures-and-events/gaza-israel-the-legal-and-the-military-view

 

I had no idea that Jewish soldiers fought for the Reich.

 

So those of the World famous & highly respected Gersham College are of an unaccomplished & lesser people

I don't know Dutch, but that sounds to me like a Supremacist & Racist statement
coming from a person full of a bloated prejudice, & trying to Justify his disrespect
.......................for those he considers to be of a unaccomplished & lesser species

Sounds like something some Inbred Redneck might say about his darker neighbor
..or something some Pathologically Narcissistic Fascist might say about a Semite
..or something some arrogant White Anglo Gentleman might say about a Spic, or
..................................................................................................... a Wog or a Wop


....But then of coarse you are "of the chosen" - right 'Dutch' - & that makes all the
................................................................................................ Difference don't it ?


Anyway THANX
for the heads up, as to just Exactly where you are coming from on these Issues
But don't you feel it a bit odd & incongruous, complaining about Prejudice while Practicing it

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Jews who aren't smart enough is an oxymoron, my friend. Aside from that, you're just proving my point

 

"If the statistics are right, the Jews constitute but one quarter of one percent of the human race. It suggests a nebulous puff of star dust lost in the blaze of the Milky Way. Properly, the Jew ought hardly to be heard of, but he is heard of, has always been heard of. He is as prominent on the planet as any other people, and his importance is extravagantly out of proportion to the smallness of his bulk.

His contributions to the world’s list of great names in literature, science, art, music, finance, medicine and abstruse learning are also very out of proportion to the weakness of his numbers. He has made a marvelous fight in this world in all ages; and has done it with his hands tied behind him. He could be vain of himself and be excused for it. The Egyptians, the Babylonians and the Persians rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away; the Greeks and Romans followed and made a vast noise, and they were gone; other people have sprung up and held their torch high for a time but it burned out, and they sit in twilight now, and have vanished.

The Jew saw them all, survived them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmaties, of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert but aggressive mind. All things are mortal but the Jews; all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality? "

Guess who said it, Margot? That's right, Mark Teh (*)(*)(*)(*)ing Twain. When did he said it? In September of 1897

Did I answer your question?

 

Everyone makes a gaffe, what of it?

Here's a good one and there's more where it came from:

If you take out the killings, Washington actually has a very low crime rate.

Marion Barry, mayor of Washington, D.C.

 

Unaccomplished and lesser species is a very racist thing to say and said it you, not I. I said something very different. Bravo.

 

Yes, of course. You just want to remain ignorant and continue your little jingoism which has nothing to do with reality. That is basically what you do in your attempt to stop things being discussed.

 

Stop things being discussed? Not in the least - I welcome discussions, that's why I spend my precious time being here. However, a lot of my thoughtful posts are not being replied to (I'm pretty sure I know why) so on occasion I resort to a humorous one liners which tend to generate response, as you've just did

 

Excuse ! - not different at all
Are you even unaware of WHAT you say ? - I wish to inform you - All people - ALL Humanity ARE of the species,
They are ALL of Humanity - ( and I make the point) - that to denigrate them as an "unaccomplished & lesser people"
............................................. is to attack their very Humanity and by implication, their very membership to our species
............................................. That is why it is so is such a disgustingly Vile, & Racist in what you Infer when YOU say:
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Be pleased to Review: just exactly what it is that YOU have said - & consider for a moment ALL of its implications -
......................................................................................................................... Then go look at yourself in the mirror

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No, my ignorant friend. I've referred to an unaccomplished, lesser people never mentioning species; and that is not what you quoted me of saying. Bravo again