Methodist divestment highlights Israel’s place in the world

That is because Zionist never have an argument to what is written and so just scream hate or antisemitism because they know what is said is the truth which you seem to be admitting to. It is just soo hateful of people to say it. You would do better if you want to be in this thread to argue about what it is about rather than ranting and calling people names. What I am talking about there is not as you put it. What I am talking about a) has relevance to the topic of the thread and b) related to the current position.

Well you certainly are the one going on about hate. I suggest you start your own thread and see but do not try to take this thread off topic.

Gilos this is a political forum. This particular forum is on latest news. The latest news was the choice of a church of 7,000,000 people to stop working with Israeli banks because of treatment of the Palestinian people and human rights. Orange has divested from Israel for business reasons. This was then followed by Human Rights Watch advising everyone to get out of settlements as they by investing there are culpable for what happens there. Despite the usual pro Israelis trying to ignore everything which is to do with that, I have paid attention to as much as possible writing with reference to the situation Israel finds herself in and why people are wanting to engage in BDS with her including the extreme right/fascist political position which now, like all good extreme right/fascist modes of government is now going after the genuine left and human rights activists. Of course that is important and relevant when people are either divesting or advising this because of the lack of rights the Palestinians are kept in by it's 49 year occupation. If you do not want to discuss politics then do not come to a Political forum and if you do come to a political forum then stop crying because people are discussing politics.

I have sourced everything I have said. You are sounding somewhat off balance. If you believe something I said was not true then you have the ability to give information providing that. Though I have done tonight really I cannot be arsed with people who just start this thinly veiled personal attack rather than arguing the issued raised. I suspect the reason you have not is because you can't.

This thread is offering solutions. If you had any which you believed would work better you were perfectly free to give them. You have not.

 

There is no evidence of Palestinians using human shields. There is is for Israelis using children as shields.

Take a look at the body count. Check out their religious book.

 

so now you're attacking the Torah, a book islam considers holy?

 

This is why I avoid threads like this; its the same people lying over and over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ6S0-o3uFI

Neither proves your claim, try again.

But if we are going to discuss religious texts, how many times does the koran call to murder jews and infidels?

 

I don't do youtube. Provide one piece of evidence that show Palestinians deliberately using people has shields.

The body count certainly proves my claim, and I don't discuss Islamic theology with the average individual; it's a waste of my time.

 

Don't care what you do or do not do, that video showed hamas encouraging people to stand next to an apartment building housing terrorists to prevent it from being struck by Israel.

And who can forget the video by the Indian TV crew showing hamas terrorists firing rockets standing next to a hospital.

Body count means nothing; 1/3 of all jews worldwide were murdered in WW2, they did not initiate nor conduct hostilities. Russia lost more people than any other country, yet they did not initiate hostilities. Come back with a real argument.

As for "islamic theology," YOU brought it into the conversation, not me. So now that you're running away because you cannot defend your claim, I am not surprised.

 

Obsession means Israel first thing in the morning and last thing at night, and there hasnt been a new "Jewish only" settelment in the WB for decades, ofc the "Jewish only" is another Arab twist, the area in question is disputed so Arabs and Jewish stick with their own since some Arabs tend to explode in high temperture or stab in cold one.

 

Ppl speak their minds just as you do, they dont see it as occupation since the land is disputed, they dont see it as Palestinian since there was never such a country and they dont think it should automaticlly go to a Palestinian state should there be one because it was Jordinian for 20 years and we have sorted out our diffrences with them along time ago, so its about difrent perspectives.

Ppl that do support murder of civilians - like you - and others of Palestinians, are a truly in practice supporting ethnic cleansing which funny enough gets more weight than murder itself

 

The "man" comment was for the person I replied to - not to you, as in "Dont listen to that whinny crap man/bro..." I know you are a lady we talked many times before and Im not a child to go on sex jokes...

I dont think the events you post are irregular in a state of war for 70 years~ and when weapons : slings or flame bottels are used against armed soldiers in massive riots that must be contained (as in your videos), sometimes ppl get shot and sometimes they die from it, Im as happy of that as Im happy to live in a state of war throu all my life, its what we got and we deal with it.

On the dead terrorists, young and older, I find it hard to judge the ppl that shot and killed them after they escaped the stabbing attempts because I dont know if I would manage to shot just the legs of such person myself or will just empty a clip on his/her troso in panic - with all due respect to the Sweedish minister and our "friends" in Europe, I think jugding such ppl should be done very carfuly and be charged only if security forces contain the situation and the the ppl around still went on killing the disabled terrorist, in such a case I would support charges, in others - I think its whinny crap from ppl that have no idea or worse, they know but they are on a crusade and will lie for their objective.

You did accuse Israel for faking the kidnapping I remember it very clearly because I was shocked by your response, it was back when I regarded you as moderate but you went top the extreme since then, since last Gaza war. you also feared mass executions in teh WB following IDF arrests there and I told you it was done with the blessing and help of the PLO.

When you and I read about a 13 y old Palestinan shot dead for trying to stab some Jew - we both feel sad , our conclusiuons are diffrent,I dont think a 13 y old did it because he was sooo fed up with the occupation, that he lost his home, saw no future and no job oppertunitties for him - all of these things are possible at much later age, no 13 y old children are influensed, they get hormones that drive them crazy like any other child and some ppl take advantage of that, Im not saying they were trained by Hamas but the worship of death, the cellebration of the "Shaihids" died in God's name while killing Jews - are.....a negetive influence on children...., I dont see an end to it untill this wave of European "sanctions" on Israel will pass because theye is no reason for the Palestinians to negotiate with Israel as long as it lasts, so this situation makes me sad but I know we are stuck with it for a long while ahead so iM not surpried reading about it.

 

Blaming ethinc crimes in an ethnic war going on for 70 years is really not hard Alexa, just takes time that's all, yea I admit - as I always did -the crimes my ppl made since 1948 till today - WHEN they are made, the same is true on the other side, but I think hand picking just the parts you want, excluding the events leading to a specific war or OP - is typical propaganda and I feel it insults my intelligence when someone tries to "sell" me such crap because he wants me to hate someone.

I dont hate Palestinmians, I think they are one of the less fortunate ppl on Earth, I think the arrogant approach bu Israel in 1967 and following years made them harder, I also think there are forces around us that ab-use the Palestinains with Islamic Jihad, I think they are in some parts under Israeli occupation because they are under Islamic Jihad occupation because Israelis were dumb in the past. I am willing to assist them because of our responsibility - but just as much I think Jordan as former occupier of the WB and Egypy who was the owner of Gaza need to assume their responsibilty in terms of money AND LAND.
Note that any of it matters as long as the Islamists rule supreme in Gaza and according to our experts if it wasnt for IDF - WB as well.

 

What of it? Anyone who starts invoking 'gods' and fairy tales needs to be watched very carefully.

 

http://europe.newsweek.com/orange-pays-80m-pull-brand-out-israel-329548

they signed a deal to get out, and paid 80 million in blood money.

 

While they know the entire world says it is.

To justify thieving and ethnic cleansing

They shoot criminal civilians all the time all over the world. Nothing odd.
And politically supporting, participating in, and directly benefiting from ethnic cleansing....
that's very much so a criminal behavior that get you killed. Even when you're a Jew.

 

You can't put a price on a moral principle.

 

No... actually talking like that in public even in Europe will get you arrested now more than ever but that's why forums like this exist so you can channel your terrorist criminal hatred to somewhere that makes no diffrence.

 

You wouldn't get arrested for saying a warcriminal being shot at and killed is just asking for it. You would get arrested for supporting war criminals though. You might have noticed the EU changed its position to have a personal chat with anybody who is willing to invest in Jewish war crimes in occupied territory. Terrorists like yourself that promote ethnic cleansing to thieve land and expand your race nation can only try and whine that they got a right to do that, demand they may not be harmed while doing that etc on forums like this. So we can ridicule the lot of ya.

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Not likely at all they will loose tax exempt status over this.
Not likely at all.

 

They haven't called for a boycott, just truth in advertising.

 

6 millions Jews were murdered in Europe not in Palestine.

 

Are you referring to, "Right to Work", States?

 

No.. "Made in the West Bank"... Palestinians can't export anything without a Jewish middleman.

 

In addition to resorting to telling blatant falsehoods* & an inability to support even one of your assertions with ANY sources, it is obvious that you are desperately attempting to obfuscate the simple reality I have repeatedly established & documented that the World Zionist Organization Congress, German Zionist Federation & Germany's National Socialist German Workers Party (aka Nazi Party) were co-operative entities.


Since the topic of this thread has to do with the Methodist divestments & related BDS movements in general, Zionists have opposed BDS initiatives against Ethnic Cleansing / Apartheid Regimes as far back as their defeat of a resolution calling for action against Hitler in 1933:

EXCERPTS:
"The US Congress Bulletin.
Additionally the World Zionist Organization Congress in 1933 defeated a resolution calling for action against Hitler by a vote of 240 to 43. During this very Congress, Hitler announced a trade agreement with the World Zionist Organisation's Anglo-Palestine Bank, breaking, thereby, the Jewish boycott of the Nazi regime at a time when the German economy was extremely vulnerable."CONTINUED [2]


Among the factors that inspired this Methodist divestment is Israel's Ethnic Cleansing[1] agenda that began in 1948 (Plan Dalet)



Do you support or oppose the BDS initiatives such as this Methodist divestment that is intended to pressure Israel's Zionists to cease their current Ethnic Cleansing ?










* "The only sources that've provided are conspiracy theory websites and blogs.."


[1] “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine”
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/Pappe_Ilan/Ethnic_Cleansing_Palestine.html
EXCERPT “This fourth and last blueprint spelled it out clearly and unambiguously: the Palestinians had to go.'
In the words of one of the first historians to note the significance of that plan, Simcha Flapan, 'The military campaign against the Arabs, including the "conquest and destruction of the 'rural areas" was set forth in the Hagana's Plan Dalet'.'
The aim of the plan was in fact the destruction of both the rural and urban areas of Palestine.
The plan decided upon on 10 March 1948, and above all its systematic implementation in the following months, was a clear-cut case of an ethnic cleansing operation, regarded under international law today as a crime against humanity.”CONTINUED


[1] "ISRAEL'S PLAN DALET"; THE GREEN LIGHT FOR ZIONISM'S ETHNIC CLEANSING OF PALESTINE"
http://www.globalresearch.ca/israels...estine/5326140


[2] "THE NAZI ZIONIST PACT"
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/Zionist_not_jews.htm

 

Encouraging is not the same as forcing people to be used as human shields as Israel does. You have to learn this important distinction.

Strawman; who initiated anything is completely irrelevant, as the subject concerns one party intentionally killing the other.

No, I didn't bring Islam into it; you did.

 

firing rockets from hospitals, schools in Gaza, is using human shields and violates international law.

 

this is ok for organizations like human rights watch and the un

on topic though i dont really get why we are going out of our way to support israel. Who cares if we lose our foothold in the region? Let them kill each other over there. If we really wanted to build influence in the world it would be more cost effective to start elsewhere. We can always come back to ME when they have finished clubbing themselves senseless and are begging for help.

 

hamas "encouraging" at the point of a gun means the choice is not optional; that you are defending that terrorist group is indicative of who and what you are.

"Strawman"? Learn what the term means. It was YOU who laughably claimed that the side with more casualties is the "right" one, that the other side is "intentionally" killing more - that is abject nonsense to any thinking person.

Attackers should always expect far more casualties, and given that the fakestinians are using knives against people with guns, they should expect to be killed in far greater numbers.

But then again, arab muslims never have to worry about being responsible for their actions, not when there are apologists and the clueless defending their every moronic move.

YOU brought religion into the conversation in post 127. YOU claimed the jews' religious texts drove them to kill, but as they say people in glass houses...