PA official: 2 state solution just a step towards destroying Israel

http://www.thetower.org/2855-senior-palestinian-official-two-state-solution-is-just-a-phase/

"A senior member of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’s Fatah party has said that a two-state solution with a Palestinian state in the West Bank with Jerusalem as its capital would just be a “phase” ultimately resulting in a single Palestinian state.

“Palestine stretches from the river to the sea,” Tawfiq Tirawi, a member of Fatah’s Central Committee, said in an interview Tuesday with the Palestinian news agency Ma’an. “A Palestinian state in the 1967 borders, with Jerusalem as its capital, is just a phase, as far as I am concerned.”

“Don’t think that there can be a solution to the Palestinian issue by establishing a state the borders of which are limited to the West Bank and Gaza,” he went on to say. “I challenge any Palestinian to say that the map of Palestine is limited to the West Bank and Gaza.”

In the same interview, Tirawi expressed admiration for Adolf Hitler, calling the Nazi leader “daring.”"

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As I've repeated before, there is no reason, after all of the insane terrorist attacks by the arab muslims, that Israel should not deport en masse all of the arabs (except the druze and beduins who are loyal) from the west bank and gaza.

The NYT and its allies can die in hell for all I care, along with the feckless, stupid europeans who think they can buy themselves time by throwing Israel under the bus. The arab muslims modus operandi is endless war to destroy all non-muslims, and then to destroy like ISIS all muslims not fanatical enough for them.

Either the sane and rational in this world will stand up and stop catering/apologizing as useful idiots for the arab muslim filth, or they better get used to seeing far more beheadings in their neighborhoods and their daughters and sisters raped like in Germany.

 

Lol you hear that silence? Gee Mike where are those contributors from the Methodists hate Israel thread when one needs them?

 

Football game on. Wait till it's over, and the usual Palestinian defenders will be over in force.

 

The pro-arab muslim terror apologist crew avoids threads like this; anything that exposes their hypocrisy and lies is to be ignored.

 

It's an old communication strategy:

don't give audience to discussions where your "facade" could fall down.

So, don't expect pro-Palestinians to discuss this. We should keep this thread alive and discuss this among us ...

To start the discussion, I would like to ponder in which measure Western supporters of Palestinians are aware of these "hidden" purposes in sectors of the PA ... In European Western democracies overall, young leftists tend to support Palestinians. What if they know that many Palestinians want the destruction of Israel?

 

The IDF has long stated that Abbas is their primary partner in peace.

Hamas leadership of Gaza acceded to the Abbas unity government a year ago, when the requirements set by Abbas were to state the permanence of Israel and restriction to non-violent means.

The Netanyahu cabinet plus Netanyahu state their direction is a one state solution - a solution that include driving Palestinians out of Palestine in their continued program of ethnic cleansing.

Israel is so dedicated to their ethnic cleansing program that they refused to stop stealing private property owned by Palestinians in West Bank even during the negotiations led by the USA.

Today, over 130 nations officially recognize the nation of Palestine - putting the lie to your notion that support for Palestine is limited to "young leftists" in Europe.

Please ponder that.

 

I'm happy to discuss this thread. What would you like to discuss?

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Of course we know that. Many palestinians want to be rid of Israel. Why would they not?

 

Wow, you manged to fit a lot of lies in one post, perhaps a record...

So now you're quoting the IDF? I thought they were all liars and baby killers?

Do you dream of these things? You want me to start pulling quotes from hamas leaders? They're far worse.

Israel is a parliamentary democracy. If the arab muslims stopped supporting terrorism and stopped showing polled majorities supporting the destruction of Israel, the Israeli public might actually support granting the arab muslims their state, which despite refusing multiple times, that they so claim they want.

Given that the population of the arab muslims in the west bank/gaza/israel keeps growing, you clearly have no concept of what the term means.

Really? Which palestine? The one in gaza?

 

The Palestinians have rejected a two state solution. They only want Israel driven into the sea.

 

Likud's policy has been from the start "Eretz Isroel" from river to sea. Wait a minute, doesn't that sound like the exact same thing the palestinian in OP said?

An independent Palestine will only work if it is demilitarized and can guarantee Israel's security. If the Palestinians can't deliver that to the Israelis, Israel won't even contemplate ending the occupation, and why should they?

BTW, its not technically deportation of the WB arabs, since they occupy ancestral homes and have for hundreds of years. the term used today in international law is either "expulsion" or "ethnic cleansing". And as a signatory of the GC, Israel would be breaking that treaty, notwithstanding the legal justifications they have continually bandied about.

 

You stopped being credible the moment you mentioned Likud, which since Israel is a parliamentary democracy means nothing. Second, Likud has not been in power since 1948, it was Labor for the first 40+ years.

You ran off the cliff when you claimed that the west bank arabs have been there for "hundreds of years," that is laughable nonsense only the most clueless even attempt to insert on forum threads. You're pretty close to joining my ignore list, keep the garbage posts coming...

 

Time 2 xtirpate the evil.

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Keep in mind that among the European national parliaments who have voted about recognizing Palestine, the Italian parliament has voted not to recognize Palestine yet. So my reference to young leftists is well valid for Italy [where the government is sustained principally by the left and has endorsed the decision of the parliament]. Italy will recognize Palestine when there will be the conditions for this.

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If they remain within the limits of the political action ... they are entitled to their opinion. Different matter if they sustain terrorism against a sovereign state.

 

So everyone is entitled to their opinion. So what's the point of this thread?

 

There are hundreds of thousands of Israelis seeking to dominate the occupied territories so your complaint is invalid.

And yes West Bank Arabs have lineage and genetic tracers going back far longer than just a few centuries. Palestine has never ever been empty. Not even when some Jews left.

 

As for I can read in the OP, this thread is underlining a project which would go beyond the limits of the political action [to destroy a sovereign country]. This is a serious matter in perspective.

Let's think that PA obtains the real sovereignty of Palestine, it creates an Army [and Palestine has got the right to create its own Army, a lay Army I hope ...] and it attacks Israel ... it will be a total open war [with the destruction of Palestine, I guess].

So, is the 2 states solution, for some Palestinian environment, a way to gain time to prepare the war against Israel? This would remind what Hamas did in Gaza.

 

Very good-apart from the fact that nowhere in your link is there any mention of "destroying Israel". The rest of your absurd post is so ludicrously immature and rife with paranoid racist bigotry that it isn't worth responding to.

 

Yet again anyone with an argument you're unable to counter gets threatened with being ignored. Oh the infamy!

 

Well ... if he says that the 2 states solution is a phase to reach a condition where Palestine reaches the sea ... [that "Palestine stretches from the river to the sea"], between the licit borderlines of Palestine and the sea [a part Gaza] there is Israel ...

 

So, I am not being credible by pointing out a foundational platform of Likud, currently the leadership party of the goverment? Apparently you aren't familiar with the various alignments and political parties in Israel. You might also want to review how a coalition parliamentary government works, because its ALL about political party alignment, compromise and cooperation..



I am well aware that for the first 30 years the government was led by labor.

What fairy tale have you been reading in place of history books?

Yes the arabs have been living in Palestine for hundreds of years. I find it rather amusing that actual facts are being dismissed as laughable nonsense. As this post demonstrates, you appear to know a lot about "cluelessness", but your "garbage meter" needs some serious adjustments.

 

When you accuse me of lying you should try to find at least one lie to support your claim.

Otherwise, all you've got is ad hom.

And, I stand behind what I said.

 

Italy gives no support for your ludicrously sweeping and illogical statement.

 

You can use all rhetoric tricks you like best ... but the matter of fact that the Italian Parliament hasn't recognized Palestine is a reality [may be a heavy reality to digest for someone ...].

 

I think these young leftists believe the dismantling of Israel is a reasonable concept because they have no clue what a Jew is, let alone where Israel or Palestine is. They grow up reading sites on yahoo or google or parrot what their professors say.

Its unfortunate but its fact. All you have to do is have the fortune to teach at colleges as I have to see what passes as academia these days.

Unsubstantiated opinions are posed and presented as facts that can not be repudiated. If one points out they are subjective opinions not facts, the students start screaming the teacher is intolerant.

When I try explain to a student they must back up their positions with something other than their feelings, I get this what I call, dead look.

They don't get it. They've been brought up not to critically analyze but to simply find an opinion they like and run with it.

I was trained I had to be able to argue either side of an argument equally and we did just that switching half way in debates.

Logic, you won't find it anymore. Its simplified down now to sound bites of you bad, me good.

 

I focus on the above comments from your entire response in post 6.

1. Hamas has never "accceded to the PA "...ever.

2. Abbas has never recognized the right of Israel to be a Jewish state but has in fact repeatedly stated the PA will never agree to recognize a Jewish state of Israel and has repeated numerous times, he will only recognize Israel as a state if it is majority Muslim and is a first stage in reunifying with Jordan, Gaza and the West bank into one sharia law Palestinian state.

3. How you even depict Abbas as supporting non violence is as absurd as your other comments. He stood up in his assembly giving a standing ovation to his fellow members chanting death to Israel. He has defended the random campaign by Palestinians to stab innocent civilians.

4. Netanyahu does not support a one state solution. If he did he would have annexed the West Bank and Gaza long ago. Your claim he wants to drive Palestinians out of "Palestine" is absurd. The population of Palestinians has multiplied at huge rates rendering your accusations of ethnic cleansing let alone forcing them out ridiculous. Had he intended to cleanse them as you say he would have done it long long ago.

Now I find it interesting you state 130 nations officially recognize the nation of Palestine. Not as a state. As a pre-state. You clearly don't know the difference. The UN has not yet declared Palestine a state. Until that happens what you have is a pre-state that they recognize.

Now you have trotted out allegations, back them up:

1-provide the document saying Hamas has acceded to the PA;
2-provide the document where Abbas states he recognizes a Jewish state of Israel.

Start with those 2. You will have to do better than stating your subjective opinions as if they are fact and try pass that off as debate. Its not.

Please ponder that.