Model of limited nuclear attack Russian on coast of the enemy

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  1. Taxpayer

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    Bad children put themselves in the corner.



     
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    Gotta come up sometime.

    And this is just the stuff thats actually public.

    http://thediplomat.com/2016/02/worl...ine-robot-ship-ready-for-sea-trials-in-april/

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    Those are US bases my fiend, the Euros have their own as well.

    And yes that is their whole point.

    The more you type the more you seem to be trolling because you love your country so much. No, you are not an American
     
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    What's the surprise?
     
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    HAHAHA you have got to be kidding me.

    This is you biggest troll idea yet. You really think a county like the US has no back up plans at all.

    Ugh, ok im done feeding trolls in this thread, I broke my own rule again darnit!
     
  5. Fallen

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    There's still the matter of launch codes. And as I've said. No one said that this torpedo has to be launched from a sub.

    If its powered by a nuclear reactor then it probably has an unlimited range

    A computer that will guide the missile doesn't need to surface. Ever.

    In theory, it can park itself in some dark murky depths off the coast of America and wait for order for as long as it takes.

    All of Russian nuclear arsenal is linked to a computer system called the dead hand.
     
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    I know that WITHOUT CODES IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO LAUNCH OUR MISSILES.



    THIS IS A FACT.


    you can look that one up

    We are too reliant on our early warning systems and NORAD.


    You are ASS-UMING a lot of things with no supporting fact
     
  7. raytri

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    Incorrect. Indeed, our problem with 9/11 was that our military was entirely focused on external threats, not intercepting domestic airliners. They are two entirely different kinds of threats.

    #1, taking out our comm satellites would be very hard -- they're in very high geostationary orbits. Taking out some of our spy satellites would be easier, but that alone is a warning of impending attack. And there are quite a few of them, so it'd be hard to blind us totally.

    #2, we do not rely on satellites for nuclear communication -- we have landline alternatives. And we don't use satellites to guide our ICBMs -- never have. They use astro-inertial guidance. Which makes sense, since we had ICBMs long before we had GPS, and if a nuclear missile is being used, you have to assume the possibility of at least SOME infrastructure loss.

    Nobody has a workable defensive system yet, and if they did we would know it -- it would have to be tested, and there's no way to do that in secret when you're firing at things coming in from space. Then it would have to be deployed.

    Okay. But given that you seem to know very little about it, I'm not seeing much basis for making such a claim. Perhaps you have a link or some other credible source?
     
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    Um, no. You were right the first time. It took about five months.
    http://www.afhso.af.mil/topics/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=19809

    Hostages were seized on Nov. 4, 1979.

    Eagle Claw was launched on April 24, 1980.

    Maybe you should read up on the operation, then.

    Can you possibly conceive of a difference between storming an embassy building in your own capital and storming an embassy in the capital of a hostile nation halfway around the world?

    Perhaps it's due to being a completely different situation. Good Lord.
     
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    You write nonsense. For example the Turks tried to kill all the Armenians in 1915. So what? By the way Russian is not necessary to kill all Turks. It is with pleasure make the Armenians, Kurds, Greeks, Syrians ..... All neighbors Turkey - hate the Turks.
    Regarding the war, Russia - Turkey conventional weapons. Since the XV century, between Turkey and Russia it was at least 17 wars and Turks lost them all .
    A few examples.
    1. In the battle of Chesma (1770), the Turks lost 10,000 people, while the Russian losses amounted to 11 dead (loss ratio 1 to 900 in favor of Russia)
    2. In the battle of Kinburn - Russian commander Suvorov in 1787 with a group of 1,6 thousand people attacked on several times superior to the number of Turkish troops and almost completely destroyed it. Turkish losses amounted to 4.5 thousand. people. Russian lost about 450 people;
    3. At the storming of Izmail (December 22, 1790) Russian lost 2136 killed, while the loss of the defenders (!!!) Turks in 13 times more - 26 thousand people were killed and 9000 captured (from which the next day two thousands died from wounds)
    4. October 2, 1811 a detachment of General Markov numbering 7500 people attacked and completely defeated the 20 thousandth the Turkish army in Ruschuk (on the right bank of the Danube), much of which was captured or scattered. In addition, a huge camp was captured with all the food and weapons stockpiles. Russian lost during the attacks of 9 people. killed and 40 wounded;
    5. In Sinop battle November 30, 1853, the squadron of Russian Admiral Nakhimov not lose a single ship, the loss of personnel amounted to 38 killed and 235 wounded, while the Turks have lost more than 3,200 people, and the commander of the Turkish squadron Admiral Osman Pasha was captured in captivity......
    And so on. I can list a lot, but I think you understood the meaning.

    Also, you probably know about the Treaty of Moscow (1921) - the Russian-Turkish treaty of "friendship and brotherhood", signed on March 16, 1921 in Moscow between the Government of the Turkish Grand National Assembly and the Government of the RSFSR. According to the agreement Armenian Kars and Ardahan transferred to Turkey. Mount Ararat was also in Turkey.
    According to the agreement, Russia prolongs it every 25 years, it is time for the next signing the agreement, which Russia can not sign legally. In this case, Turkey will have to return the vast territory. About - 30% of the territory of modern Turkey.

    Official Turkish troops shot down Russian aircraft. This casus belli. Turkish terrorists "Grey Wolves" Russian pilot was killed in violation of the rules of war (war crimes). This is another casus belli. The Turks are very fortunate that in Russian President Putin. He is very kind. Therefore, so far not attacked Constantinople.
    You think about the Kurdish office in Moscow? You better think that Russia has not supplied weapons to the Kurds.
     
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    Save the big boys for atmospheric blasts, for the EMP effect. The smaller ones could take out cities and military targets. Man, what a nightmare scenario even to consider! Good news is no one is crazy enough to do this. This thread simply reminds us that these deterrents exist, and that war between the US and Russia, or between any other nuclear powers, is quite unlikely, precisely because no one wants to face a nuclear war.

    Peace and cooperation are preferable by far, and belligerent NATO members may want to bear THIS in mind.
     
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    Did the military take that long to respond or was it that the president took that long to let the military try something? You seem to think that the military gets to act autonomously from the goverment, you could not be any more wrong.
     
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    Net debt - a fairy tale for the sheep. There is a real debt of Sweden. It is equal to 188% of GDP. And it's a real problem. If an abstract country, Zimbabwe, for example, will not be able to pay the debt of Sweden, Zimbabwe, nothing will change. (In any case they have a low standard of living). But if your debt will not be able to give Sweden, Sweden turn in Zimbabwe.
     
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    China is busy preparing for war with the United States over disputed islands in the southern part of East China Sea.
     
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    *shrug* We'll see.



     
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    It's not a problem. All countries lend and borrow. Sweden it's almost perfectly balanced.
     
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    Uh...no...the radiation still destroys most all LIFE, not just people, and even the cockroaches will die in a Nuclear Winter lasting a decade.
     
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    Oh yeh, sure, China is going to give America the very excuse we are looking for to cancel our debt with them.
     
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    Again you write nonsense
    1. The Russian did not bomb civilians. There is no evidence in the UN. No one could prove it. Because it is a lie.
    2. Again. Russian spit on the Turkish threat. But Russian is not necessary to destroy the Turks. This can make the Kurds, Syrians, Armenians, Greeks, Iranians ..... and so on. All the neighbors - hate to Turks.
    3. Turkey hopes for the protection of NATO. Relying on Article 5 of the Collective Security Treaty.

    3.1. The North Atlantic Treaty. Article 5.

    The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

    Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security .(See those in the UN Security Council who has the right to veto)

    - For example to express concern. Or, transfer into the Turkish army a few boxes of diapers.

    3.2. Besides. The Collective Security Treaty is valid only if NATO country - is attacked by. But if NATO country itself invade another country - the contract is not valid. For example. If Turkey will make the invasion in Syria - Turkey is an aggressor. NATO is not the contract.
    Russia has a formal agreement with the legitimate Syrian government on mutual military assistance. Therefore Russia will be at war with Turkey. It is a fact.
    All the consequences of the post-war division of Turkey and the death of Turkish citizens will be based on the Turkish government.
    No one will fight with Russia over Turkey.
     
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    For sure. It is just ridiculous when you hear some folks talking as if there is such a thing as winning a nuclear war with Russia.

    Moving away from the "MAD" doctrine (Thanks Rotten Ronnie and those that followed) towards a doctrine "Lets figure out how to pre-emptively win a nuclear war" is categorically, the most idiotic and irresponsible political decision in human history.

    In 2000 Bush Jr. unilaterally pulls out of the Anti Ballistic Missile (ABM) treaty. Putin's comment - "This is a mistake"

    The point of such a treaty is so that some "buckaroo" does not get the idea "we will shoot our missiles and when they retaliate we will shoot theirs down".

    Not only does Bush pull out of the ABM treaty, in 2006-2007 he starts putting ABM's on Russia's border in Czechoslovakia and Poland.

    Can you imagine the hissy fit at the Pentagon if Russia started putting ABM's on our borders ?

    Obviously this action destabilizes nuclear detente and forces Russia to take counter measures.

    There are a number of relatively simple counter measures (one of the reasons putting these missiles in place to begin with is so stupid and only serves to antagonize Russia and ramp up the nuclear arms race)

    Subs are one counter measure but, the Putin admin mused about "nukes in space". What a lovely thought that is ?! Currently it takes a ballistic missile roughly 30 min to get here.

    Not sure about you but, I would not feel safer or more secure knowing that a nuke is above my head ... 30 seconds away.

    Fortunately, Russia did not do this. What they did do is build short and intermediate range nuclear cruise missiles in violation of the short and intermediate range treaty.

    Obama then went on television "Russia has violated the short and intermediate range treaty". Clips of Reagan signing the various treaties air for a couple days.

    What the clown fails to mention is ... "Oh by the way, we were the ones that forced Russia to do this"

    The purpose of such munitions is to take out the ABM's prior to launch, in conjunction with taking out the satellites with conventional munitions.

    Happy thoughts, I am sure Europe sleeps better at night knowing nuclear cruise missiles are minutes away.

    One can find clips of Putin bursting out into laughter when an interviewer states the Pentagon claim that the ABM's are to defend against "missiles from Iran".

    The excuse is simply absurd on so many levels.

    The funny thing is that no one (in the know) really thinks that such a defense is viable. It is simply too easy to counter.

    The point of Star Wars and subsequent projects is simply to justify the massive feed rate of the military head of the Oligopoly-Bureaucracy Fusion Monster that runs this country.
     
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    Ahaha. It will not save you. In this case, China nationalizes the entire US industry in China. And the United States will fall into the 19th century. Because almost all manufacture in China. And of course in this case the dollar stop its importance as a reserve currency. The consequences of this, I think you will not need to explain. You've probably received a good Soviet education. So you will understand. Is not it?
     
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    Actually the U.S. manufacturers about as much as it did decades ago. Manufacturing just employs much fewer people.
     
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    Soon we'll see.
     
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    Soon we'll see. Considering the Dow Jones and Nasdaq, and the reduction of rail transportation in the United States and a reduction in orders for trucks, etc. - the wait is long.
     
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    Here you go.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Crossroads

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    Here you go.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Crossroads
     

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