Why doesn't Common Core work in Education?

It was supposed to be good for our kids. But it seems to be bad. What is the deal?

 

The deal is that it was implemented in strange ways. If you look at the actual standards, there is nothing to complain about. It looks pretty good. The problem is the implementation sucks.

 

Look at math. Common core forces teachers to instruct children how to solve math problems in the least effective ways possible. They are not allowed to show shortcuts so a simple problem like 4 + 8 literally takes a kid a minute to solve.

 

Please show me in the Standards where that is a requirement. Not in implementation, but in the actual standards. Here is a link to the math standards:
http://www.corestandards.org/Math/

 

It is the equivalent of teaching a child to run before they can even stand up. They need to teach basic math and then once that is grasped, then they can go onto equations like Algebra and Common Core. This would allow them to be better thinkers, and help with problem solving skills, but you have to introduce them to the basics. It is a process.

 

Kids are not robots, and a "program" will not work on humans.

 

And that's what Common Core Standards have in them.

http://www.corestandards.org/Math/

HEre are the kindergarden common core standards:
Understand addition as putting together and adding to, and understand subtraction as taking apart and taking from.
CCSS.Math.Content.K.OA.A.1
Represent addition and subtraction with objects, fingers, mental images, drawings1, sounds (e.g., claps), acting out situations, verbal explanations, expressions, or equations.
CCSS.Math.Content.K.OA.A.2
Solve addition and subtraction word problems, and add and subtract within 10, e.g., by using objects or drawings to represent the problem.
CCSS.Math.Content.K.OA.A.3
Decompose numbers less than or equal to 10 into pairs in more than one way, e.g., by using objects or drawings, and record each decomposition by a drawing or equation (e.g., 5 = 2 + 3 and 5 = 4 + 1).
CCSS.Math.Content.K.OA.A.4
For any number from 1 to 9, find the number that makes 10 when added to the given number, e.g., by using objects or drawings, and record the answer with a drawing or equation.
CCSS.Math.Content.K.OA.A.5
Fluently add and subtract within 5.

 

From what I gather, it's not supposed to "work" as it's just an attempt to standardize tests across state lines. A 75% in Wyoming is supposed to be the same as a 75% in Nebraska.

How is this not working out?

 

http://thefederalist.com/2014/09/24/top-ten-things-parents-hate-about-common-core/

 

Those were examples of the failed implementation. I asked about from the actual Standards.
http://www.corestandards.org/Math/

Please show me in the actual standards (not in articles about the implementation of the standards) where students are required to learn to solve math problems in the least effective ways possible. Please show me where the actual standards disallow shortcuts. I've linked the standards, if it's as obvious as you say, you should be able to easily find it if your claim is correct. Again, show me in the ACTUAL STANDARDS. I totally agree that people who are claiming to be teaching Common Core teach a lot of mathematical malpractice. I just don't agree that the actual standards require it. I think that we could teach fairly conventional and rigorous mathematics to the Common Core math standards.

 

I think the common core gets the standards wrong. My son is in 5th grade. When he did the standardized test at the end of 4th grade, he was in the 68% in math. Yet, he "failed" because you needed to be at around 69% to meet 4th grade proficiency.

And that's why many parents are opting out of the tests: There is something wrong with the test when more than 2/3 of the kids do not reach proficiency at grade level. It is a problem with incentives: When kids feel like failures, their academic performance goes down.

As to the common core math learning strategies, I think they are actually pretty good. I like that they try to have kids look at problems in many different angles. It's not like in previous times where they taught kids "1/5 = 0,2, learn that by heart!" Now, they look at it through many graphical ways, line diagrams, pie charts, etc. I think that's a much better strategy to reinforce the concepts.

 

Question. Is Common Core taught at the private schools attended by the children of the rich and politicians? If no, why not?

 

The problem here isn't that it takes a long time, but rather explaining the concept of using base 10 in order to add two numbers to the talking heads.

It doesn't really take that long once the concept of base 10 is understood. An abacus is great for that sort of thing.

 

Common core isn't the problem. The problem is that kids don't care about half of the stuff they are being forced into learning so that they can get a scientific job that they aren't sure they even want. Since common core is new, it became the excuse these kids needed so that they can vent about the system. Grades have become less about helping the student and more about helping universities separate the privileged from the failures.

"Measurement experts such as Peter Airasian (1994) explain that educators use grades primarily (1) for administrative purposes, (2) to give students feedback about their progress and achievement, (3) to provide guidance to students about future course work, (4) to provide guidance to teachers for instructional planning, and (5) to motivate students."
http://www.ascd.org/publications/books/100053/chapters/What-Are-Grades-For%C2%A2.aspx

Yeah, right.

 

I learned by memorization which is much more efficient.

 

I don't see the problem here. If he's getting a failing grade, it's because he's not at 4th grade proficiency. That's why they have tests.

The incentive is to not get a failing grade. It's like losing a game of basketball. You don't give up because you're humiliated. You put on your big boy pants and work to improve yourself. Passing a test means you can spend some additional time on xbox. Failing means you put the game away and put in some homework hours.

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I agree with you. I like the fact that it's testing the fundamentals. Just memorizing stuff isn't good enough. After awhile, you have to know why 9 and 6 is 15.

 

It is up to a point. You probably don't need to diagram a sentence in order to know that "I hate math!" is grammatically correct, but learning how to tell the difference between a noun and an adjective, and getting your subjects and verbs and objects all lined up in a row helps when you graduate to more complex structures.

 

It hasn't worked out real well because Americans (in general) have too little respect for "lurnin''"

 

because not all kids learn the same some can learn by reading, some can learn by it verbally explained to them, some learn better by hands on
so having one standard way to teach kids leaves many behind it should be up to the teacher to realize how best teach each individual kid

 

Having a national standard in education, and holding the kids to that standard is a good idea. Mandating the teaching methods is wrong. Children have different styles of learning. A good teacher should know all the methods and be given the freedom to utilize the best ones for her students. If she fails to bring her class to standard - she loses her job to a better teacher.

That said, the segment, "3x4=11" depicts a progressive agenda. https://youtu.be/d1Ubjg_o8vg The progressive agenda in education is not focused on the 3 R's... but on social engineering. The teacher explains that it does not matter that the answer is wrong, if the child has a good "explanation". The progressive agenda in education is not about accuracy or skills because that is too competitive. It is more about collaboration, explanation, being a member of a team. If a child fits into the collaborative mold nicely - they pass. If they come up with a good explanation (used to be called an excuse) on why they arrived at the wrong answer, they pass. It's all about how the kids work together to solve problems -- not whether the problems are solved. Progressive education has more to do with social engineering than with skills. The group gets to decide who's in and who's out.

I don't know why they think that's progressive --- seems right out of the dark past.

 

Then you don't want public education because teachers have one chalkboard, one textbook, and 30 or so students.

There will be some left by the wayside with this method. There isn't enough money to have one-on-one instruction with teachers that can match the learning style with the individual student.

 

What is wrong with Common Core is the same as any one-size-fits-all system, it fails everyone. It as a theory executed poorly.

I had a couple of grandkids in the program here in Florida. I had trouble understanding their 2nd grade number system for teaching math and I have advanced degrees in math and physics. In trying to make it a process for anyone, it becomes incomprehensible for everyone. In frustration, I sat down with my granddaughter, who was "failing" math, and taught her to add and subtract in columns, ignoring the number lines in about 20 minutes. I was rewarded with a demand for a conference by the school. My granddaughter had answered all of her math questions perfectly, but couldn't show her work on the number lines so she was rated as failed. The teacher try to berate me for "jumping ahead" to the year end assignments. The principle and I then agreed, that my granddaughter could indeed, add and subtract, that it as "above grade level", and therefore their only other option was to promote my granddaughter to an "advanced" class, where, for the last 4 years she's made straight As. Her younger sister did without all the bother and just skipped that grade after a summer of playing math with pappaw.

Each child is an individual. Good teachers and good schools treat them accordingly.

 

yes you can
you can very your teaching style. good teachers are able to do just that. some students you can tell read chapter so and so and while they are doing just that the students that need a varied teaching style can be attended too not all teaching methods work for all kids and if you cant adapt to that as a teacher you don't belong teaching

 

So maybe it's the teachers who aren't good instead of the common core.

 

With 30+ students, sorry but I can't. There are going to be those that fall by the wayside simply because there isn't the time.