Fighting Illegal Alien Voting

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  1. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Google Search -- Voter fraud larger than the biased MSM tells us
    About 807,000 results
     
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    :lol:

    Instead of providing ANY facts for the Republican baloney, we get 806,000 nonsense clicks from the Right Wing Lie machine.

    FAIL.
     
  3. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    http://www.rnla.org/votefraud.asp
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Patriotnews, your own link said "noncitizens" not illegal aliens. do you know what noncitizens means? Again, your own link disproves your entire claim that a representative lost the election because of illegal aliens voting when the actual evidence produced nothing of the sort. It even showed that the possible 784 votes would not be enough to overturn the results, which means he lost fair and square. And if you look at the total number of ballots cast the number of irregular votes, it shows that even illegal alien voting is not as bad as some have claimed.

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    So, if Google shows 1.4 billion results that people believe the sun rises in the west and sets in the east, you would believe that?
     
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    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    You are not living in reality, but simply regurgitating internet gossip based on skewed data. That data, for instance, includes households where there is at least one USC and one Illegal immigrant. Generally, illegals cannot obtain or receive welfare benefits except for specific cases. But what happens is the USC children in which one or both parents happen to be illegal. The USC children receive those welfare benefits with the parents administering the benefits to the children generally.

    As for federal agencies and law enforcement, they are not adequately funded. For law enforcement, as crime rate drops over a period of time, response times are increasing. This means that law enforcement is having the dollars stretched thinner and thinner for the same population. If they were funded adequately, then the response time would remain the same even though the crime rate has dropped over the period of time. Same with federal agencies as laws are passed and responsibilities increased, Congress in its infinite wisdom cuts funding because Congress does not like the law that was passed some time ago. Or the law says that minor children who crossed the border illegally cannot be returned to their home countries unless it is to an adult who would take care of them. Yet, politicians like Sen Cruz or Sessions want to ignore the law and said that the children need to be refused and returned home immediately with or without a responsible adult.

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    then you are admitting that you do not know the difference between a noncitizen and an illegal alien.
     
  7. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Any person who renewed or secured a driver’s license through the DMV may now register to vote, or choose to opt out of doing so. Because illegal immigrants are now eligible for obtaining driver’s licenses, they could be allowed to vote in elections if the Secretary of State’s office fails to verify their eligibility properly"

    http://www.breitbart.com/california...rown-signs-bill-allowing-illegal-aliens-vote/

    Let's hear for the Briebart and how (*)(*)(*)(*)ty they are :roflol:
     
  8. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    You still have to answer the question on the voter registration form whether you are a US citizen or not. Just because one can register to vote while obtaining a driver's license, like in Texas, does not mean one will or could vote.
     
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    Illegals get a license that clearly states that they are not citizens...and thus ineligible to vote
     
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    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    For some states yes.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Indeed. A small lie, though.
     
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    In California that's true. I know of no state that issues a standard driver's license to illegal immigrants. Which ones are those?
     
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    There's much more to the story than that.

    Non-citizens whether legal or illegal aliens, it doesn't matter, they are not allowed to vote.

    They used non-citizens because some were illegal aliens, some were legal aliens.

    The 784 were the ones they caught that were visa overstays. They didn't check the citizenship's
    of the illegal aliens that they suspected of thousand who just came illegally because the democrats
    were obstructing. Those numbers were there too which you conveniently left off. Thousands, plenty
    to overturn the election.
     
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    PatriotNews Well-Known Member

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    So you just admitted you were wrong about rampant voter fraud, now you need
    to just admit you were wrong and move on. I don't know if you were lying or
    just poorly informed, but you acknowledged that there were fraudulent voters
    so what more is there to discuss?

    It doesn't matter if they are legal or illegal aliens, non-citizens are not allowed to vote.
     
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    ^^^ this
     
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    Actually, after reading his blog, he's not only racist; but an Isamophobe, misogynist, homophobe and a sick old man.
     
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    That would just open city elections. Do immigrants, who are citizens of their respective states, have a right to not be taxed without representation or were the Founding Fathers just talking about people who are officially recognized as US Citizens by the United States government?

    Anyway, voting is a state/local issue, not one for the Federal government, as much as big government-loving conservatives would love to see it all prohibited by Congress.
     
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    In Texas, they cannot obtain a driver's license if one is illegal. they must show proof of either obtaining legal residency, legal immigration, etc, or show proof from USCIS that they are a legal alien. But this is Texas though.
     
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    But your original claim was "tens of thousands of illegal aliens were committing voter fraud." Were you not lying then PatriotNews?

    The only people who are wrong about "rampant voter fraud" are the ones making the claim. Your own link disproves your claim with 784 noncitizens that were found to have voted. 784 does not equate into "tens of thousands" as you have claimed, does it? Wolfesnstein provided examples where it was one, two, or even a few in his examples. Again, that does not prove "rampant voter fraud" by any definition whatsoever.
     
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    Ayuh,... Actually, US. Citizens, who were Male, 'n owned land,.....
     
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    Ayuh,.... Anybody with more than 2 brain cells understands that the problem is much bigger than just those that were "Found",.....
     
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    Right...sure.

    We've been hearing that for years and yet nothing substantial ever seems to surface.

    The fact remains that voter fraud is an infinitesimally small problem that has no effect on any election.

    Republicans would disenfranchise hundreds of thousands (probably millions) to deal with a problem that doesn't actually effect elections in any real way?

    Why?

    Because they can use it as a means to prevent people who they'd rather not see voting (because they usually won't vote Republican) from voting.
     
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    Which is why I want the systems in county and state voter registration databases to be linked to SSA and DHS to verify citizenship status.

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    This is like claiming that someone speeding 2 miles above the speed limit is driving recklessly and endangering everyone with severe, excessive speeding.
     
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    In the early days of the republic, noncitizens voted in elections, but was not a right under the Constitution. Thus under originalism, if a state were to allow noncitizens to vote, it would not violate the Constitution.
     
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    Yes, that is proof of tens of thousands of illegal aliens voting. The actual number of illegal votes in that election was more like 4,023*.

    784 fraudulent voters were legal aliens who were here legally on a visa, and illegal aliens who came on a visa legally, but overstayed their visas. They compare the voter registration to the visas. But it doesn't include the illegal aliens who didn't come on a visa. So they didn't really vet all the people on the voter rolls.

    And that is just one congressional district. There are 53 congressional districts with approximately the same populations. 784 X 53 = 41,552. Again, that is not counting illegals who crossed the borders illegally.

    Now if 4,023 is correct, then that times 53 = 213,219. Did I say tens of thousands? Maybe hundreds of thousands.
     

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