China is laughing at Trump and the USA

Nice deflection from Trumps disastrous economic plan. Any more red herrings you wanna throw?

 

Really.
They just put an import tariff of 236% on Chinese stainless steel.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-03/u-s-commerce-finds-china-steel-subsidies-of-as-much-as-236-

US steel's stock price went from $6 to $16 in less than a month, go figure.

 

I actually like that analogy, but I don't think america is done for. With Trump, it will happen as you think, but america can be saved long term if someone capable is elected.

 

I think what you are saying is, that there is nothing to be done, other nations can cheat all they want and we're helpless to respond because Smoot-Hawley/Great Depression.

Apparently no other country is under a threat of recession by trade war, just the US. I'm open to another path if there is one that's being mentioned by another candidate, but I'm not open to the status quo.

 

I disagree with the analysis so far. Any form of protectionism put into place to combat the Chinese would hurt the Chinese far more than the USA. The reason being there is nothing made in China that cannot be made in India or the USA. True prices would go up and the economy at first would be harmed. But in the long run expanding our trade with countries other than China and increasing our manufacturing at home would make for a stronger country.

In the event of a trade war with China they would have no choice but to concede to the USA. We have the stronger economy, we have more money, and most importantly the deeper reserves of resources to fuel our industries. Add to that we need to care for only 380mil people vs 1.2 bil people and you give the USA a clear advantage. The only reason we use China is price. If at any point the price is no longer to our advantage we can turn to other countries such as India or Nigeria with large population with low economic and environmental standards.

China fears any protectionist president and rightly so. A tried and true weapon against those you fear is ridicule and denial. Outworldly they will lambast Trump but behind closed doors they are worried and rightly so. If Trump somehow gains the office AND somehow convinces congress to go along then China must consider how to work with their largest single trading partner. A trade war would cost them close to 600 billion ins trade that cannot be replaced.

 

You're thinking of the United Kingdom, where the democratic system predates America's by more than 50 years.

 

China doesn't like Donald Trump because they pay him a fortune for their headquarters in NYC.

 

They aren't laughing. They are spreading propaganda. They like leaders they feel are controllable. They liked Obama.

 

From now till the election, every mainstream newstation is gonna throw every negative story it can against Trump . Chuck enough mud and it will stick. I doubt he can beat Hilary.

 

I pay no attention to what Donald Trump (supposedly) says, since it's usually an exaggeration by the same people who have been manipulating us and the world into our own self destruction.

Unlike Obama who appealed with his lies, and was chosen by George Soros to be president because of his appeal, Trump presents himself not as a political actor making a play towards people's compassion while at the same time serving only those who put him in office, but as someone who actually might have the strength to fight Washington and kick the 'bums' out before we destroy ourselves and the world.

 

Well, according to these criterions, the USA is at war with nearly every nation on Earth, including itself.

 

Fascinating response.

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So the US will experience a UK-like loss of pro-eminence. Big deal.

Just brace for it. It ain't so bad. Then the Chinese empire, if such a thing comes into existance, will ultimately fall, too.

 

No he doesn't, he wants to put Trump first. If you honestly believe anything that proven liar says you're delusional.

 

trade war will hurt both, and there is no winner(both bush and Obama understand this, because they have bunch actual economist advising them), china currently is 2nd/3rd largest importer of US goods, and 1st/2nd largest exporter to US. rising import tariff in US for any country, mean everything will be more expensive here, it wont bring jobs back. low-tech industry will always be in mexico,Vietnam,india etc. lately you notice most stuff in walmart are changing from made in china to made in Vietnam, india, mexico, malasia etc, because china wage is rising. for mid-some high-tech manufacture(smart phones, pc etc) china still the largest exporter, do you want add addition 40% cost to your iphone($600 to 850ish)? apple will not bring those job into US, they will just raise the price and you gonna pay for it due to tariff, unless you don't want a phone or other electronic etc etc.

our mid-high tech commercial industry (auto, plane, chips,server, IT etc ) have a lot investment/market in china(eg, boeing score some the biggest deal with china for their plane in the dozen billions, airbus lose the deal. GM/Ford make more profit in china then in US) a trade war means china rise tariff on US product, but lower tariff on Europe/japan/korea/everyone else products. this will be a big hit on mid-high tech industry in US, even coke-cola and our agriculture export will be affected. this will ripple through our mid-high tech industry, agriculture and overall economy. also 40% tariff in US will rise price on everything, and will not bring that much jobs back, but cost us dearly in other sectors. our advantage are in mid-especially high tech stuff. apple, boeing, intel become fortune 500 due to its R&D, not manufacture, and that's where we should concentrate on, not making T-shirts, that's 3rd world jobs.

 

Keep telling yourself that.

 

You are correct in all you have said. The difference is we have other options for cheaper goods India is just as advanced as China for instance. China on the other hand cannot replace our market. Both would be hurt but the USA would survive it.

Also you are incorrect about apple and such. They will do a cost analysis and find out which is cheaper, to raise their rates to compensate for the Tariff or move the manufacturing to Japan, India, or Eastern Europe, or move the manufacturing to the USA. Whichever works out to be cheaper will be the choice made. All the choices lead to higher prices but only one of them will be the cheapest. If God forbid this happens, the Tariff can be made higher then the cost to move manufacturing.

For the record protectionism is not the correct way to combat unequal trade. I just disagree with the thoughts presented on the subject so far.

 

You should worry about it, one of the benefits of having the USA as the preeminent country is our navy keeps the sea lanes reasonably safe and secure. The next country may not be so enlightened or more likely capable. If we do recede then prepare for a worldwide arms build up as countries come to realise they will have to rely on themselves. Including the lack of our nuclear umbrella. Why provide it if we get no benefit?

 

Would you like a list of Trump's lies and broken promises? No, didn't think so, so keep telling yourself that a feckless egomaniac is going to 'save America'. America needs saving from Trump...

 

That's what most Democrats do: "American last!" is their slogan. Like Obama, they want Americans and the USA PUNISHED!

 

Swede, China was laughing when mr. hope and change took office.

Nothing new there.

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Hillary does well with Democrats. The rest of the country won't vote for her. Even many Democrats want no part of Hillary.

Trump has picked up Democrats.

 

If he betrays us when he gets into the white house then we didnt lose anything. And America's enemies will need saving from Trump, I agree.

Trump 2016 is such a no brainer.

 

Was there benefits to have the US as a world police? Certainly, but I don't see it as a big change from the previous UK tenure.

When (and if) China will take on the role, It would be the same, as the powers in place favor stability.

"Nuclear umbrella" is a expression from the seventies. War has changed since, and today nuclear armement means "don't touch us" more than "death to you".

 

Don't laugh too hard Chinamen. The US could always default on their debt.

 

Get real. The US as the "world police" only served US interests. That interest got millions of people slaughtered all over the world. A rather ill joke that massacring around served the world.

The main difference with how China deals with countries it likes to do a lot of business with is,.. that they don't care at all who is in charge and what kind of political motivation is behind it. As an example: China funded (with over 200 million bucks) the African union headquarters in -of all places- Ethiopia.

 

Believe it or not America isn't China's sole trading partner.