The Donald Trump campaign and the film "Cartel Land."

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Drug cartels seem to have a great deal of power over the elected officials in Mexico.

    If...… The Donald's supporters will view this film and become more well informed a lot of good things could result from this.

    For one thing..... this could put pressure on Mexico that results in the release of Dr. Jose Mireles!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartel_Land
    My wife is from Ecuador and I would love to see The Donald come out with a plan to significantly INCREASE LEGAL immigration from Mexico and South America after that wall is built.

    This might be a great way to steal much of the thunder that his opponents seem to have at this time?
     
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    Then he'd lose much of his current supporters. If you think they want more legal immigrants then you're kidding yourself.
     
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    Immigration needs to be looked at in a way that benefits the American people. Today it does not.
     
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    Not so. We accept fewer legal Mexican immigrants because they are so drastically outweighed by illegal migrants. We do not issue nearly the number of visas we should, because of the amount of illegals hopping the border. I love legal immigrants.
     
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    Much, not all.
     
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    Nobody has a problem with legal immigrants, never did. The problem is the illegals.
     
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    At least some conservative Republicans do

    http://www.eagleforum.org/topics/immigration/pdf/2014_ImmigrationBook-6-12-14.pdf

    which article is Conservatise for saying "we don't like brown people, legal or not and even natural born citiizens" . If these immigrants were coming from Ireland or Canada they'd be welcomed with open arms. Oh, and Hispanics don't vote for democrats because they like big government, Hispanics vote for Democrats because they aren't threatening to revoke their citizenship. If you want people to vote for you it's a good idea not to call them criminals and rapists.
     
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    No, All.
     
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    You should read more posts on this forum.
     
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    Thats far from the majority. Hell im sure there is a same amount on the left that believes portions of the United States truly belong to Mexico and should be returned, just look at what La Raza and Aztlan have to say about that.

    There are going to be nuts in all walks of life, no group or party is idiot proof.

    But with that said you will find most people do not have a problem with legal immigrants, we are just sick of illegal immigrants and it's understandable why,

    And making up lies like saying Donald Trump called all mexicans rapists and murderers does not help your cause. Illegals are a problem in that category and yes most tend to be hispanic. Which the problem is that 77% of the hispanic/latino crime rates are in fact because of illegals that come here because of the amount of drug cartel and gang members that do get across the border.

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    I have more faith that this forum does not represent the United States as a whole.
     
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    I think that it would depend entirely on how it was done...... and for whom.

    Did you know that there are places in Mexico...... where somebody is persecuted if they convert from Catholicism over to being Pentecostal or Baptist?

    IF..... hundreds and thousands of these people were given refugee status in the USA...... based on the fact that they are in genuine danger in certain ways......... This could be seen as The Donald keeping his promise to try to protect Christians rather than hand them over to their enemies as has generally been the case in the last eight years!
     
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    Here in Canada a program was initiated where millionaires from other nations could purchase Canadian residency for an investment of over one million dollars.

    The program has proven to be quite unsuccessful.

    After about ten years these millionaires are paying very little in income tax here in Canada. They generally have their investments well hidden in tax shelters all over the world. Their original investment was returned to them.....(with interest).... after a certain number of years..... and these millionaires have generally NOT started companies..... produced a good or service..... and created employment.

    If Canada and America want to benefit from immigration.... then take in Christians and Yazidis and Ba'hai's from the Middle EAst..... and Mormons and Pentecostals from Mexico who...... are in genuine danger if they leave the Catholic Church in Mexico or some other South and Central American nations?!

    People...... who are in real danger in their homelands.......... seem to make the most enthusiastic and productive immigrants!
     
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    That is exactly what I had suspected as well!

    Thank you for confirming my suspicions!

    You Americans seem to be significantly more willing to take in immigrants who are in genuine danger in their homeland than we Canadians seem to be. On the plus side P. M. Justin Trudeau seems to be willing to do something about that problem from past years!

    P. M. Trudeau already deserves credit for..........

    http://www.advocate.com/world/2015/...-single-gay-syrian-refugees-not-straight-ones

    P. M. Trudeau is correct..... that Syrian refugees who are also members of the LGBT community......... will probably have a significantly lower tendency to become involved with radical Islamic groups who advocate genocide on Christians and on members of the Gay community...... or acts of terrorism in their new homeland?!
     
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    Yes......... this is exactly what I had suspected as well.

    I get the impression from "Cartel Land" that somebody with connections to drug cartels would receive far far far far more assistance getting across the border into the USA illegally, under the existing conditions............ than somebody would who has no connections to the cartels?!?!
     
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    Yes...... there is a segment of the population of people who tend strongly to vote G. O. P. who would be termed racists.

    I suspect that there is a somewhat similar segment of people who vote Democrat pretty much every time........ who might just tend to hire an Atheist or Agnostic rather than a Baptist or Pentecostal if they are doing interviews for a position in their company?!

    Richard Dawkins Ph. D. is a brilliant writer but............ his ideas are representative of a segment of the population whose anti-Christian or anti-Jewish bias is similar to racism...... in a lot of ways?!?!
     
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    Then provide evidence... Who is against legal immigration?
     
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    Yup...... your comments are very much in line with my reply to a previous post!

    There are nut cases in both the G. O. P. as well as in the Democratic Party base!

    And yes..... studies have been done on what kind of people tend to get involved in discussion forms like this. Their income tends to be nearly double the national average..... and their level of education tends to be much higher than average...... which often indicates a somewhat increased tendency toward "liberalism!"



    http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...rals-more-intelligent-than-conservatives.html
    Why Liberals Are More Intelligent Than Conservatives
    I am a Canadian who terms himself a "Blue Liberal" which means that I consider myself politically rather moderate with some leanings toward "Conservatism" as well as some tendencies toward "Liberalism."

    I actually joined Canada's Liberal Party after taking a good look at the NDP and Green Party and deciding that they were too angry……… despised P. M. Stephen Harper with a level of hatred that seemed somewhat irrational…… so I joined the Liberal Party not too many months after Mr. Stephan Dion proved that his party took climate change very seriously!
     
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    Exactly!!!!!

    The only way that the political left have any hope of stopping The Donald is to exaggerate his statements.......... and repeat the exaggeration so many times that a certain percentage of the under-informed believe those lies.

    To a degree....... my wife.... .whose first language is Spanish........ her second language is German.... and English is only her third language............... she has to at least some degree bought into the exaggerations made against The Donald!

    Most of the posts that she reads on FAcebook are in Spanish but........ I can assure you that IF..... The Donald were to make a specific and generous proposal toward amnesty for law abiding illegal residents of the USA ...... or toward increasing legal immigration from Mexico and South America........ This would...... make news in the Hispanic community and my wife would tend to be impressed by this.

    At this moment she is being more positive toward The Donald due to the youtube videos done by Mr. Lance Wallnau.

    https://www.facebook.com/LanceWallnau/posts/10153525492474936

    IS DONALD TRUMP BEING USED AS A TRUMPET?
    AS WE APPROACH THE FEAST OF TRUMPETS HEAR WHAT PROPHETS ARE SAYING ABOUT THIS HOUR IN AMERICA!
    (posted July 15, 2015)
     
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    What do you think of this article Doombug?

    I sure looks logical to me!

    http://thetruthdivision.com/new-ana...lection-is-leaving-democrats-shaking-in-fear/
    New Analysis Of A Trump vs. Clinton Election Is Leaving Democrats SHAKING In Fear

     
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    Um, don't say you hope the Donald allows an increase of legal immigration from Mexico and South America too loudly. There will surely be a backlash.
     
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    I've gotten myself into trouble before........ and will almost certainly do so again.............

    If you are ever bored you might want to read posts #1 and #4 here

    http://tate4centralnova.yuku.com/topic/383/My-correspondence-with-Rabbi#.Vu_wHceYjQc

    This is part of my discussion with Sanhedrin RAbbi Yeshayahu Hollander that began back in 2010. I told him about what I began back in 1990........

    I am rabidly UNIVERSALIST..... and quite willing to attempt to take the principle of Universal Salvation into places where it hasn't been in some time?!?!

    Also.... I am extremely impressed with your signature....... could you add some more details on this?

    Have you began a discussion about this?

     
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    strawman, that isn't what I said. They don't want more of it, and not from Mexico. You need proof? Trump supporters have already agreed with me on this post.
     
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    Well we have around what 310 million citizens with another 10 million or so estimated here illegally... Shouldnt we have some limits to immigration and who said no one from Mexico?
     
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    Why would we let in rapists and murderers?
     
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    Legally we wouldnt why would you suggest such a thing?
     

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