Brussels Massacre guarantees the UK will leave the EU!

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  1. Deckel

    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The UK has never been as fully integrated as the others. The long-term survival of the EU has been dependent on an inevitable political integration. That does not have appeal to me as an American. If I had my choice, my state likewise would not be part of the US. I would have opposed the ratification of the Constitution. Bigger is not always better. It is more philosophical than political for me at least.
     
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    EU will break up and Farage will become UK'a leader.


    He has only been predicting everything that will happen as he spoke against those things.
     
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    Because they deserve to be ruled by a man like Putin.
     
  4. unbiased institute

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    I can't see the UK leaving because of the Brussels bombings.
    In the UK the arguments for leaving are economic and not so much relating to national security.
     
  5. Empress

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    True because the US brought far more terror to Europe than 1,000 years of Islamic invasions have. What are you, a Nazi and/or Soviet apologist?

    Border control does not equal Berlin wall; Mexico is not a totalitarian Marxist police state. Perhaps next you'll tell us that private property and fences around one's house equals an electric fence around a prison?

    Where on earth did you get these horrible ideas from? Left wing political rags?
     
  6. Destroyer of illusions

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    Today Russian bear flowers to the Embassy of Belgium in a sign of mourning and condolences. I wonder, in the EU countries bring flowers to the Belgian embassy? Europe is united? Or nobody cares about the victims?

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    Of course not! The elites in office know full well these attacks aren't going to stop. That's why Merkel is having her government police the internet and arrest people who dissent with Islamic migration.

    Muslim immigration is being imposed undemocratically and a growing police state is being erected to enforce it.

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    Plenty care about the victims, at least those not of the Left wing political persuasion.

    All these migrants and their political elitist sponsors are doing is proving that Breivik was right.
     
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    If the EU breaks up it will be a boon for the USA. We could then create individual trade deals with each country and have an overwhelmingly superior position. Also that would end the Euro which would also strengthen our currency since it would not have to compete. Now of course this would be disastrous for the Europeans. But there is no accounting for the insanity of nationalism. But we will be there to profit from it as always.
     
  9. unbiased institute

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    ????????????
    Was he right to shoot kids as well?
     
  10. El Cid

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    EU leaders do not care about victims at all.
    They only care about their god complexes.
    Hopefully the citizens of the EU will rise up with their militaries behind them and try their leaders for treason and then execute them by firing squad.
     
  11. alexa

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    If I had my way my country would not be a part of the UK! I was reading a debate on another forum whether British people feel they are European and when I am on forums there is no question that I do.

    You are right in that the UK does seem to have had more reticence for the EU but the reasons for that are possibly more political. At one time it was the left who were against it, particularly Tony Benn believing that it would destroy democracy and lead to Global Corporate Capitalism. Both of those do indeed go together and the EU has increasingly been found short on democracy. However, most of the left now support membership due to the rights which the EU has taken on and the UK Tories have as possibly their main reason for leaving. Far Right parties are gaining ascendancy in Europe. It is not impossible that Marie Le Penn will be the next French President. Russia is supporting the far right of Europe who hate the US in the hope that they will destroy the EU and then join the Eurasian Union and most of them seem to have a soft spot for Russia so it is a genuine thing which could happen.

    On top of that there is no reason to believe that a Europe which was always at war with each other would act any differently once they had got rid of their minorities. The alternative of course is to transform the EU. For those who favour saving Europe but a democratic Europe working for the people this group has started

    DiEM25: ten years to save Europe?
     
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    I dislike right side too. But generally they seem to be more logical out of the bunch.

    Why does there have to be a right and a left anyway when it should be common sense to put Americans first and others second?

    We should not grant anyone special privileges to accommodate them. Nor do we have to jeopardize our own security allowing others in when we are not obligated to.

    The Media paints right wing as natzi anti-humanitarians while the leftists as a humanitarian voice of reason


    I'm a nationalist first and foremost. I'm not racist. In fact, I acknowledge that race doesn't scientifically exists. I'm also a humanitarian. But I think that we should help ourselves before we can help others.


    media portrays leftists as having a moral high ground. In reality, they are just lost in false ideals.


    Didn't the leftist learn from the whole Muslim brotherhood scandal that happened a few years back? Or are they quick to forget too.
     
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    I would have supported independence for Scotland if I had been a voter as well.

    I find it ironic that the EU was originally conceived as a plan to help hold Germany in check, but it has been realized as a union in which Germany runs the show. I wouldn't support it as I have said, but I don't get to decide for them what they should do with their affairs. There is no real consequence to me one way or the other. If anything the US would benefit from the EU because the high taxes would cause your capital to flee to the US.
     
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    This will be fair.
     
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    I don't think there are many people who do not believe it needs massive change and most of those people do not think the change that Cameron came up with is what they want. It is not what the left want and nowhere near what those on the further ranges of the right want. At the same time at this moment with all it's faults it is probably the biggest stabilizer for European countries but needs to find a dynamic democratic way of functioning or it almost certainly will disintegrate into ethnic nationalist states. I think at the moment it is very hard to predict the future - for the US as well as Europe.
     
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    No country has been able to successfully send back the religious conservative refugees, from the ones who want to actually live in our society.
     
  17. unbiased institute

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    For what reason?

    I don't think it was meant to subdue Germany. The EU emerged out of the coal and steel agreements and I don't think that Merkel runs the EU.
    I don't think that EU taxes would force the UK to migrate its money to the US. Even countries outside the EU but within the EEA don't have to worry about taxes because they are so minimal.
     
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    34 dead so far, shouts of Allah Akbar! Bomb went off a American Airlines ticket counter, looks like another sad case of workplace violence
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    Brilliant piece of analysis apart from one fact you forgot to mention, THE UK IS NOT IN THE SCHENGEN AGREEMENT!
     
  20. Sly Lampost

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    Gosh. Not really. I love kittens and puppies. Dislike Nazis. Quite a bit, actually. Also disliked Soviet when they were around. Particularly that bloody awful cabbage stuff they eat. Anyway, saw how terribly bleak it was firsthand and all that back in the 1960's. Shocking, Awful. Couldn't even get a decent Gin and Tonic in Potsdam. Damn it. And you'd think it wouldn't be so hard to get a decent three course supper in Pomerania would you? Or a decent cigar in Leipzig. Shocking.

    Awful.

    And the Arabs, well, blow me down with a sand-crusted scimitar. God should've chased them off 1000 years ago during the Papal pogroms, sorry... er, Crusades. But it's awfully hard to fight nimble dusky people when you're dressed in a couple of hundreds pounds of heavy metal. Or is that listening to a heavy metal? Either way, it's very difficult. Especially in the sand. It hampers one you, see. Awful bloody stuff, actually. Sand, that is. Not bigotry.

    But getting back to your point about the US bringing far more suffering to Europe, I heartily agree. WWII, post WWII Gladio and the cold war plus the USA's love of Nazis. All very regrettable. Nasty business.

    Golly. Isn't Mexico a marxist police state? Shocking. Whatever are they thinking of. Awful. Wasn't Che Salazar Guevera Cardenas a Marxist? I'm sure he must've been something terrible anyway. A Mexican composite perhaps?

    So I suppose we'll have to agree on Mexico being a narco-state then.

    Probably prep school and then in the City of London. And don't speak to me of university either. All utterly left-wing hotbeds. Or redbeds? Reds under the beds in any case. Probably Commies too. All City bankers are commie's at heart you see -- after the chip your way past the first 200 million, the Roller, swimming pool, the 20 bedroom heirloom mansion in Weybridge, the eight bedroom villa in Mustique and the 100 foot luxury yacht (with crew obviously) permanently anchored off Cannes. Once you get past all that, they're all bloody commies.. Shocking. Awful.

    Are you a composite btw? Hope you don't mind me asking? But you seem so curiously old-fashioned and strange speaking of the past like you do? On the other hand you are an American, I suppose. Nobody does politically strange better, if you ask me.
     
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    Then why did Merkel tell Cameron that he had to accept any Muslim that wanted to come to the UK......or the UK had to leave the EU?
    She read him the riot act in public just last year.
     
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    I expect the Brits to kowtow to the EU to the bitter end.
     
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    You created a whole lot more explosions before the US even existed and have lived it relative peace since you forced us to put the big boy pants on that you abdicated in the 20th century.
     
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    Hyperbole. :smile:

    It increases the likelihood of exit.
     
  25. RiaRaeb

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    Except that we can already do that because WE ARE NOT PARTY TO THE SCHENGEN AGREEMENT!
     

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